Off Topic The Politics Thread

[DT’s Socks]

Guys it is football season now. I don't have time for this EU crap and propaganda. Fox is correct and I have been saying it all along. You cannot deal with the Mafia of the EU. Let's keep the money and walk away from this crap organisation. All the EU is doing is dividing our country.

No no no
Not having that how has the EU divided us
We done that ourselves and are continuously doing so
Mafia what v our lot ?
Anyone seen JRM hedge fund he has set up and just been exposed he stands to make a fortune out of a No Deal

No you can’t say it’s football but and then chuck in that rubbish and not expect a reply
You are wrong

 

[DT’s Socks]

Sadly I had to put someone on ignore as I found him to be a muppet (The first QPR fan which was sad but necessary). This debate can get heated and a while back I found myself being a muppet so I stopped posting on it for a bit and came back refreshed. It is sad that some of the things that are being said on both sides however I do find 'a lot' or is it 'most' or 'some' remain supporters to be pretentious and believe they are somehow on a higher level than everyone else when really they are no different. Anyone who believes in wonderful democracy and our constitution should accept the result, stop moaning and support their country rather than winging because it wasn't the result they wanted.

Christ the result is accepted 52/48

That’s 52/48

I am not moaning and sick of people blaming everyone else

Mafia Moaners

We need a moan monitor on here

Keep on and rebuild Britain for our next generations

 

[DT’s Socks]

We want Mogg!

We want the EU

 

[ELLERS]

Thing is, the government explicitly stated that the result of the referendum would be carried out.
I am willing to wager that, had the result been 52% in favour of remain, not one remainer on here would be questioning the validity of the vote or calling for the government to take the final decision.

Of course not. They didn't like the result and they have tried everything to derail the will of the people. People make me laugh when they go on about democracy. The bloody remoaners want another go at it FFS! If the shoe had been on the other foot there would never be this much crap. Just a bunch of 'cry babies' that are throwing their toys out of the pram.

They go on about 'economic suicide' which most haven't got a clue about anyway. It's just the new 'project fear' buzz word of the week. Every week something else pops up and the remoaners start saying "they didn't know what they were voting for". Actually, we did, it was simple in or out. Out won by over a million votes. Any normal person would accept it and support the country to move forward, but no, the enemy within has done nothing but try to derail a democratic vote. We get idiotic remarks about the 'End of democracy' which is so laughable it doesn't deserve a response.

We can go on and on about this but it ain't gonna change....We are leaving the mafia run EU, with a deal or without. All the remoaner top economists have said a no deal is bad...My advice is to support your country so we get a good deal rather than keep undermining it with that ridiculous 'Peoples (undemocratic) vote' and all the project fear that plays into the EU's hand. Maybe if those unelected EU muppets adapted they may get a deal.

By the way, I am reading more and more reports of EU countries panicking if it is a 'no deal'. Even the Germans are now worried. The government should take full advantage of this because at the end of the day money talks.

 

[ELLERS]

We don't want mogg

Yes we do and he is who we want! Bring on the Moggmeister!

 

[ELLERS]

Negotiations between Japan and the EU started in 2013. If you want to make a case at least try and find some facts which support it.

Interesting that you took my '10 minutes' quote as gospel. Funnily I mentioned it before and described it as a rush which this article supports. So is that enough facts to support it?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trade-deal-brexit-uk-leave-asia-a8450476.html

 

[sb_73]

Interesting that you took my '10 minutes' quote as gospel. Funnily I mentioned it before and described it as a rush which this article supports. So is that enough facts to support it?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...trade-deal-brexit-uk-leave-asia-a8450476.html

Sory Ellers, I genuinely don’t understand the point you are trying to make with this stuff. I knew when you said it was a rush job, and done in 10 minutes you were exaggerating for effect but I don’t know for what purpose.

As the Independent article says they speeded up the finalisation of a five year process to counter the US-China trade tension and to box the UK into a corner, as we will have to match the EU deal to secure a trade treaty with Japan, which means we won’t have any advantage out of being out of the EU when it comes to this deal. It helps Japan as they can just tell us they want the same as they have with the EU, should make it a quick and efficient negotiation. It seems like the EU is better at this kind of stuff than we are, reacted to circumstances which weren’t present when they started the negotiation. Isn’t that what people who know what they are doing actually do?

 

[Stroller]

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[TheBigDipper]

What effect do you think it would have on confidence in the way we are governed, our democratic system and the people governing us (which isn't high anyway), if Parliament gave the electorate a referendum and then ignored the majority result because they, the elite, didn't agree with it. No damage? Slight damage. Cynicism and low polling in elections for at least a generation?

It would be the last of these, believe me.

Confidence in our system of government was already at a fairly low point, Goldie. The referendum didn't create that. The way successive governments have gone about their work did. Standing up for what they believe to be true, for once, would earn them more respect than anything they've done for at least a decade.

 

[ELLERS]

Sory Ellers, I genuinely don’t understand the point you are trying to make with this stuff. I knew when you said it was a rush job, and done in 10 minutes you were exaggerating for effect but I don’t know for what purpose.

As the Independent article says they speeded up the finalisation of a five year process to counter the US-China trade tension and to box the UK into a corner, as we will have to match the EU deal to secure a trade treaty with Japan, which means we won’t have any advantage out of being out of the EU when it comes to this deal. It helps Japan as they can just tell us they want the same as they have with the EU, should make it a quick and efficient negotiation. It seems like the EU is better at this kind of stuff than we are, reacted to circumstances which weren’t present when they started the negotiation. Isn’t that what people who know what they are doing actually do?

I think we will be getting a decent trade deal with Japan as we import many cars from them and they are not going to suddenly say "oh because of Brexit we won't sell to the UK" That is a project fear type comment.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2017/10/japa...rd-british-car-buyers-choose-japanese-brands/

Now I don't know how many cars go to the EU from Japan but from my experience when in Germany they all have mostly German brands. France does have a mix but I haven't seen many Japanese cars but I will look out.
From my own experience, Mrs Ellers has just got a Toyota and is over the moon with it. There is a big World out there Sb.

With regards to EU and Trump, if you believe that the EU didn't go cap in hand to Trump then I would be surprised? Just about every news article and commentators have said the EU bottled it.

I keep hearing how we are not ready for a Brexit 'No deal' and they are probably correct but I have just read an interesting article regarding German industry and how they are not prepared for a no deal and there is lots of worried businesses. A Dutch politician said to the BBC recently that a no deal would hurt Europe as well as the UK and we must make sure a deal is in place. With this information, TM should be tough in the negotiations and not sell out.

However, I have my own weird theories on this. I am still questioning why she took over from a capable Raab? Was it because she knew he wouldn't sell out like her?
Whatever the outcome of these recent meetings it will be interesting when she returns.

 

[Stroller]

Yes we do and he is who we want! Bring on the Moggmeister!

Who said this in 2011?...……..

Responding to a question about how the Brexit referendum would work, he replied: “That issue can be dealt with in the legislation. Indeed, we could have two referendums.

“As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.”

 

[ELLERS]

Who said this in 2011?...……..

Responding to a question about how the Brexit referendum would work, he replied: “That issue can be dealt with in the legislation. Indeed, we could have two referendums.

“As it happens, it might make more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed.”

Ah bless you really are sounding desperate by the day Stroller. 2011! I am worried about what he is saying now!
The Moggmeister is in the building and once we get rid of the weak May we will get a strong Brexit leader.
2001...

This is the sort of stuff I was talking about recently.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6948226/jacob-rees-mogg-home-vandalised/
Sad little muppets who cannot accept a result. maybe they should get a job instead of wasting taxpayers money.

2011...

 

[TheBigDipper]

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However, I have my own weird theories on this. I am still questioning why she took over from a capable Raab? Was it because she knew he wouldn't sell out like her?
Whatever the outcome of these recent meetings it will be interesting when she returns.

I think May understands that she will be blamed by whichever side (possibly both) is unhappy when Leaving Day arrives. She might as well put him to work making the process side of things run properly whilst she does the job of trying to balance the impossible on behalf of the whole country - those who voted Leave, those who voted Remain, those who didn't vote and those who couldn't vote.

 

[Stroller]

Ah bless you really are sounding desperate by the day Stroller. 2011! I am worried about what he is saying now!
The Moggmeister is in the building and once we get rid of the weak May we will get a strong Brexit leader.
2001...

This is the sort of stuff I was talking about recently.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6948226/jacob-rees-mogg-home-vandalised/
Sad little muppets who cannot accept a result. maybe they should get a job instead of wasting taxpayers money.

2011...

Get rid of May and you could wind up with Corbyn. It's impossible to see Rees-Mogg or Johnson getting Brexit legislation through parliament. May as well just go for a second referendum like the Moggmeister said. You'd win that of course.

 

[bobmid]

Yes we do and he is who we want! Bring on the Moggmeister!

Oh dear there is really no hope

 

[bobmid]

Ellers my dear friend. Remainers aren't Muppets and neither are leavers. Think that really lowers the tone of your posts. People want different things, people believe different lies ie 'project fear' as it is called, or the farage posters of immigrants queuing or the NHS bus etc etc. I agree there is plenty of project fear, is there a genuine reason for this? Us up north, don't want to see the likes of a Johnson or Reece mogg. Pretentious, obnoxious, money grabbing scum of the highest order. The former is as much a politician as my cat! He just says things and doesn't really understand the meaning of consequences.
I don't know where we go from here, i do know that it is very very uncertain. Was it before the referendum.....not for me or my family.

 

[ELLERS]

Get rid of May and you could wind up with Corbyn. It's impossible to see Rees-Mogg or Johnson getting Brexit legislation through parliament. May as well just go for a second referendum like the Moggmeister said. You'd win that of course.

2011... That was about the same time Jezzer was meeting with all those terrorist groups, sorry 'brothers' and supporting demonstrations.
He has lost the support from the Jewish community because of his Jewish stance. He mixes with known terrorists and has outdated policies. Other than that he is an idiot who no one will vote for so even if May was replaced and the put Mr blobby in as leader Corbyn would never win. so I don't see it being a problem.
2011..

 

[bobmid]

2011... That was about the same time Jezzer was meeting with all those terrorist groups, sorry 'brothers' and supporting demonstrations.
He has lost the support from the Jewish community because of his Jewish stance. He mixes with known terrorists and has outdated policies. Other than that he is an idiot who no one will vote for so even if May was replaced and the put Mr blobby in as leader Corbyn would never win. so I don't see it being a problem.
2011..

He will definately be getting my vote or at least Labour will be come the next election.

 

[ELLERS]

Ellers my dear friend. Remainers aren't Muppets and neither are leavers. Think that really lowers the tone of your posts. People want different things, people believe different lies ie 'project fear' as it is called, or the farage posters of immigrants queuing or the NHS bus etc etc. I agree there is plenty of project fear, is there a genuine reason for this? Us up north, don't want to see the likes of a Johnson or Reece mogg. Pretentious, obnoxious, money grabbing scum of the highest order. The former is as much a politician as my cat! He just says things and doesn't really understand the meaning of consequences.
I don't know where we go from here, i do know that it is very very uncertain. Was it before the referendum.....not for me or my family.

Bob we can all be muppets. I have accused myself in the past of that. However, I agree to certain parts of your post. I just get frustrated I guess with the missed opportunity over deal and believe May is letting us down. We need strong leadership and if that is JRM then I will be happy. Boris can be a clown but he is an intelligent chap and want's the best for us (or himself which is indirectly connected).

 

[DT’s Socks]

I think we will be getting a decent trade deal with Japan as we import many cars from them and they are not going to suddenly say "oh because of Brexit we won't sell to the UK" That is a project fear type comment.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2017/10/japa...rd-british-car-buyers-choose-japanese-brands/

Now I don't know how many cars go to the EU from Japan but from my experience when in Germany they all have mostly German brands. France does have a mix but I haven't seen many Japanese cars but I will look out.
From my own experience, Mrs Ellers has just got a Toyota and is over the moon with it. There is a big World out there Sb.

With regards to EU and Trump, if you believe that the EU didn't go cap in hand to Trump then I would be surprised? Just about every news article and commentators have said the EU bottled it.

I keep hearing how we are not ready for a Brexit 'No deal' and they are probably correct but I have just read an interesting article regarding German industry and how they are not prepared for a no deal and there is lots of worried businesses. A Dutch politician said to the BBC recently that a no deal would hurt Europe as well as the UK and we must make sure a deal is in place. With this information, TM should be tough in the negotiations and not sell out.

However, I have my own weird theories on this. I am still questioning why she took over from a capable Raab? Was it because she knew he wouldn't sell out like her?
Whatever the outcome of these recent meetings it will be interesting when she returns.

Well I agree about the weird theories x

So a couple of facts

Toyota builds cars for France in France
Nissan builds cars for France in France via Renault
Vauxhall builds cars in England owned now by the French

European cars in general are built all over Europe Porsche now in Hungary for example

The U.K. can still buy cars from wherever
It looks however that the product owners are all overseas and controlled therefore from overseas

You I guess still be able anything you wish post Brexit why not ?

How it gets to you is the glaring issue without the free movement of goods, tariffs , taxes and of course people remains in question

No project fear just factual sense

Spanish lorry drivers for example may not be able to continue their journeys into the U.K.
Reverting back to the container system for the EU and expanding it to a new unimaginable size and scale. Note we are currently not able to keep up with the current import flow from non EU countries with our ports and hence why from all around the world goods are delivered to the ports of the EU and then delivered here seamlessly within logistic supply chains

Aviation fright would need to expand 30 fold overnight

Border controls and import tax structures from the EU would need total origination

Now if required I can post up factual business links in all sectors but what’s the point that’s no fun at all

I prefer to say to any Brexiteer wearing Union Jack shorts shouting no deal
Just leave or we are British we are the best at everything ...

You silly sods get real
If you are not happy about the EU then change it from the inside with severe measures ... I still think this is the way the script is going ... we are all being puppeteered because the result was fine

I accept it as a protest vote the same the poor government of the U.K. underestimated the result and I totally agree if the result had of been 51/49 in favour of remain then that would of been that and we could of seen a new scale of moaning whereupon the government would have had time to explain and understand it themselves ! and then educate the public over time through normal U.K. politics

A no deal from the EU is frankly suicide

Anyone have faith that the U.K. can form a government that unites the nation ? A non corrupt government that does not it’s piwers for self interest .

JRM is a nice bloke no doubt he is a true Englishman. A Englishman who’s hedge fund is betting against his own country. He of course in just an insect compared to the global business who are doing exactly the same behind the scenes ... betting against the U.K. ... Ellers there’s your Mafia mate

The starting point is 52/48 and we have left the EU overnight

The 48 are going to be pissed that’s for sure

Having nationalists racists all passed their sell by dates All unable to deliver a plan or even think one up is going to be funny to watch