Off Topic UK / EU Future

The UK government knew what everyone else knew, that the existing rules say no trade talks until after a country has left. What makes people think that the UK is so special that the rules should not apply to them? The UK is just 1/28th of the union, so why do people think that the other 27 should bow to this small part of the organization? The trouble is that many believed they could demand whatever portion of the cake they fancied, and the EU would jump to hand it over. Once reality started to kick in we have seen support for the government position disappearing very quickly. Sooner or later people might wake up and realise that you cannot keep blaming others every time you do not get what you want.

 

It was quite easy and sensible for the EU to properly engage to find a mutually acceptable deal but of course the overriding fear of contagion has prevented them from adopting a pragmatic approach. Their intransigence will just damage all concerned, many EU countries with appalling levels of unemployment will be just suffer even more in the name of the eurocrats project.

 

Brexit must wait, I'm off out for a curry.

 

What makes you think that the EU have not been trying to find a way through the rule book that the UK helped to write? You wanted it, now you want to tear it up. The question is often asked, who will the UK blame for it's troubles if it leaves the EU? As everyone now knows this departure was complex and never going to be easy, yet some have been totally taken in to believe it would be the easiest thing ever.

 

Nobody thought it would be easy, negotiating with the EU is always difficult and longwinded. I did not want the EU to morph into what it is today. I can understand why people voted for the common market and I can understand why the UK has rejected the EU.

 

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The back peddling is hilarious. And I also don't believe most leavers are genuinely happy to be poorer. If we do end up with a no deal the shrieks and denials may hopefully be enough to keep me chuckling to the soup kitchen. The way so many of them are now changing the previous narrative is utterly shameful.

 

The fact that Gove and co were incompetent and liars has always been obvious to Remainers. However it does not alter the fact that nobody can tell me the basis on which we can strike a deal. In fact the government's incompetence just makes it worse. MPs are not going to accept the Norway model are they? If not what else is there.
I still do not understand that 80% of the deal can have been done if we have no clue what sort of brexit there will be. What has been agree in that 80% ? On what basis? Being in or out of the CU? / the SM? / ongoing payments for what? / an Irish border or not and where?/ migration in what form? I am sorry but if 80% in number have been agreed it must be ridiculously insignificant things - because none of the important decisions have been made. Those are what make up brexit and to date there is no sign the EU will want to move one inch.

 

There were plenty of liars and rampant incompetence on the remain side, Osborne, Cameron, Clegg, Carney and the useless Obama. Only Carney has apologised so far for project fear 1, although he has now embarked on number 2. Due to the present alignment in standards an agreement for Brexit could have been relatively easy and smooth if the need to punish the UK had not been paramount to the EU side. The two sides seem a long way apart, it is now time to recognise the fact and fully prepare for no deal.

 

OH ..the usual rhetoric.... every day....

 

"Nobody thought it would be easy, negotiating with the EU is always difficult and longwinded". Your comment above SH, which was shown to be wrong. Is it not time to stop using these type of comments which are simple to prove to be incorrect?

 

I just listen to those poor souls that have struggled over many years to negotiate with the EU only to find an individual member state willing to sabotage the potential agreement due to selfish reasons. Italy has threatened to scupper the EU's deal with Canada as an example. No wonder it takes up to 10 years for the EU to finalise a deal.

 

Surely you can contribute something better than that.

 

What on earth has this got to do with you saying that no one said it would be easy, when they clearly did.?

 

I just turned on the machine after a day out on the real world to see another day of your rhetoric.. Haven't you got anything better to do?

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C- must try harder to find something worthwhile to say.

 

Yorkie, to enable you to better contribute towards this thread I would advise you to put your tambourine back in the cupboard and look up current affairs. This will give you some idea of what is going on.

 

As expected President Macron would not discuss Brexit with the PM, saying she must deal with the EU negotiator. He was happy to talk about the France/UK relationship after Brexit, but little more. Ollie Robbins had been dragged down to the Var, although Raab had been left behind to make the tea. So despite ministers trolling around Europe in the hope of creating splits in the EU position, wherever they go they meet the same answer. You would have thought by now that instead of wasting so much time they would be trying to work up an acceptable position for all 27 countries to agree to. You might find that individual countries have specific issues that will be impacted on by the UK leaving, but they all know that they will be better off in a strong Union than gazing in from the outside.

 

Macron must shoulder quite a bit of the blame for pushing Brexit towards a no deal. The French public's confidence in him understanding ordinary peoples lives is already at an all time low of 29%. If he further increases the rising unemployment rate in France that low will sink even lower. Strangely dealing with other foreign leaders is the only thing the French think he is capable of, that view will also greatly diminish with a no deal.

 

You have never understood the difference between a forecast and a direct lie as you demonstrate yet again so I see no point in explaining again.
The alignment of standards is not the issue. The issue is that for a truly "common" market there must be the freedom of movement of capital and people and integrated laws. Brexiters simply fail to acknowledge that.
As for punishment you can view it like that if you wish to distort reality. If someone leaves a club and will not pay the membership fees then they are outside the club and not in it. That is what you voted for. Why do you think the UK can have the benefits of the EU and not be a fee paying member? If France had quit the EU would you have said - let them have all the bits they want, ditch the bits they don't and pay no fees? Of course not.