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[kiwiqpr]

After #Brexit, Britain will no longer see Spanish omlettes on the menu. Outside of the single market and customs union, the Brits will be unable to source eggs from Spanish chickens. This will leave them with only regular British omlettes, which of course are completely different

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[DT’s Socks]

Funny you should say that because a think tank believe that we could actually prosper and get a better deal if we walk away. I think it is on the bases that it would hurt jobs in the EU and people would then be eurosceptic. I believe this as well.

Thick Tank more like
Ellers the U.K. hasn’t the patience to deal with one days delay of goods

No deal supporters are the idiots in all of this
It has nothing to do Project Fear

I have no time for anyone who supports a No Deal Brexit that is just stupidity of nationists who are clinging to a idea. There are serious consequences of a No Deal to human life

It could turn nasty if a No Deal happens

 

[Stroller]

Thick Tank more like
Ellers the U.K. hasn’t the patience to deal with one days delay of goods

No deal supporters are the idiots in all of this
It has nothing to do Project Fear

I have no time for anyone who supports a No Deal Brexit that is just stupidity of nationists who are clinging to a idea. There are serious consequences of a No Deal to human life

It could turn nasty if a No Deal happens

I understood all of that, and I think you are spot on.

 

[ELLERS]

Facts, proper facts. Ones that fit in with what I want hear.



More facts.

Facts facts facts! You want a fact stroller.... Fact is we voted to leave the EU. Over a million more people wanted out than remain.
Your lot lost, get over it. That's a fact

 

[GoldhawkRoad]

Thick Tank more like
Ellers the U.K. hasn’t the patience to deal with one days delay of goods

No deal supporters are the idiots in all of this
It has nothing to do Project Fear

I have no time for anyone who supports a No Deal Brexit that is just stupidity of nationists who are clinging to a idea. There are serious consequences of a No Deal to human life

It could turn nasty if a No Deal happens

Nobody wants a no deal. But May is on the end of her leash with her deal and the EU is not flexing, so WTO looks increasingly likely. There's no evidence of huge job losses. MEP's will be looking for a more productive role though

 

[kiwiqpr]

Pastor praises Trump as ‘pro-black’ at prison reform event

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump was lauded by inner-city pastors, including one who said he may go down as the “most pro-black president” in recent history, during a White House roundtable on Wednesday that was focused on efforts to reform the prison system.
Trump told the group, which included pastors and bishops from across the country, that his administration has been making progress on efforts to make it easier for prisoners to re-enter society and find work.
“When we say hire American, we mean all Americans,” Trump said.
Among those gathered was Darrell Scott, a black Ohio pastor who was an early supporter of Trump’s campaign and has been working with the administration on urban and prison issues.
“This is probably the most pro-active administration regarding urban America and the faith-based community in my lifetime,” Scott told the group, adding, “This is probably going be ... the most pro-black president that we’ve had in our lifetime.”
He compared Trump to his predecessor, Barack Obama, the nation’s first African-American president, and said: “This president actually wants to prove something to our community, our faith-based community and our ethnic community.”
“The last president didn’t feel like he had to,” he added, saying of Obama: “He got a pass.”
During his campaign, Trump accused Democrats of doing too little to help urban communities and often asked African-Americans what they had to lose by voting for him.
The White House has been focusing its criminal justice reform efforts on improving re-entry, rehabilitation and workforce training programs, instead of sentencing reform, which many advocates argue would make a bigger difference.
Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and adviser, has been leading the effort, which has included lobbying Congress to pass a bill called the First Step Act.
The House passed the bill in May

 

[Stroller]

Channel flicking just now, and thought I'd check out Newsnight, but as I did I said to myself 'I bet they're talking about Labour anti-Semitism'. Sure enough, I won the prize. The Tory party is riddled with racists, has commissioned a report on whether its own policies have contributed to the explosion of food banks (for ****'s sake!), and is leading us inexorably towards Brexit Armageddon, but no, we must discuss Labour's Jewish issue over and over a-****ing-gain. The BBC is ****ing obsessed with this ****.

 

[kiwiqpr]

but he gives so much ammunition
and hes doing his best pub landlord impersonation
fruit based drink for the girls



Corbyn accepted a free trip to meet Assad paid for by a Palestinian group which blames Jews for the Holocaust.

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[ELLERS]

but he gives so much ammunition
and hes doing his best pub landlord impersonation
fruit based drink for the girls



Corbyn accepted a free trip to meet Assad paid for by a Palestinian group which blames Jews for the Holocaust.

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Anyone who votes for Corbyn seriously needs their head tested. The bloke has supported terrorist groups, murders. He always goes against his own country. And finally, he has been found out with his Jewish problem.
He will never get elected PM. Funnily his supporters will not accept the truth. They blame everyone other than Corbyn. How desperate.

 

[TheBigDipper]

Anyone who votes for Corbyn seriously needs their head tested. The bloke has supported terrorist groups, murders. He always goes against his own country. And finally, he has been found out with his Jewish problem.
He will never get elected PM. Funnily his supporters will not accept the truth. They blame everyone other than Corbyn. How desperate.

Do you approve or disapprove of people who vote for an individual at a general election, Ellers? Even though they are, on the surface, voting to elect their local MP to represent them at parliament, they actually know nothing about the candidate they put a cross next to except for the fact they're in the same party as someone they like? For example, voting Conservative and electing Chope (where I live) just because they like May? Or because they don't like Corbyn? And I mean the tribal vote for a person, here, not the party manifesto policies themselves.

Would you vote for the Conservatives because you like their policies? Or because you like May? Or because you don't like Corbyn? There's potential for an interesting debate here if we can keep the elephant in the room out of it.

 

[Stroller]

Do you approve or disapprove of people who vote for an individual at a general election, Ellers? Even though they are, on the surface, voting to elect their local MP to represent them at parliament, they actually know nothing about the candidate they put a cross next to except for the fact they're in the same party as someone they like? For example, voting Conservative and electing Chope (where I live) just because they like May? Or because they don't like Corbyn? And I mean the tribal vote for a person, here, not the party manifesto policies themselves.

Would you vote for the Conservatives because you like their policies? Or because you like May? Or because you don't like Corbyn? There's potential for an interesting debate here if we can keep the elephant in the room out of it.

Given our FPTP voting system, I (like most other people I suspect) cast my vote based on which party I would like to see in government, rather than for my local representative or for a potential PM. Sadly, I live in a safe Tory constituency, so my vote is pretty much worthless. I would vote for pretty much any non right-wing candidate that I thought might stop the Tory getting in.

 

[DT’s Socks]

Interesting comment I heard from Ian Duncan Smith on the wireless, to the effect that ‘no deal only means no trade deal and going on to WTO terms’.

As we all know Mr Smith has some basic intelligence issues, otherwise I might, god forbid, be doubting his honesty (he has of course a record of lying about his qualifications).

If there is no deal, it means there is no exit deal, nowt to do with trade. If there is no exit deal there is no transition period. If there is no transition period then all the little things we take for granted will disappear overnight. Yep, all those things about customs clearance, medicines logistics and standards, aircraft safety checks etc etc, all the things we aren’t supposed to mention because it’s scaremongering.The EU published its guidance for sectors affected in these circumstances a few weeks ago. HM Government has promised to issue their 60 different technical guidance documents ‘at some stage’. But they are all on holiday now, so a bit much to expect anything for a few weeks.

That’s exactly how I see it
We are currently in the intermission of the theatre. I still firmly believe behind all of this is a very clever crafted script because it defies any sound logic

I have heard a few quotes in the public domain where it seems the EU who only seem to be waiting and watching for the U.K. to capitulate downwards

It’s this capitulation that our media feeds off and in turn feeds us. Its the perfect world story because of the tight divide

We don’t see anywhere near the same amount of stories about Brexit from inside the EU where I am based . Life carries on for them and ideas that we hold the cards should start becoming apparent that we don’t

Of course it will effect everyone in Europe to some degree but I just do not buy into the idea we will be automatically great after Brexit . That is not scaremongering at all

I state again that a massive amount of businesses have already taken steps to leave the U.K. if necessary based on sound business principles. These principles are based around business responsibility and anyone who thinks it’s folly ... I can only say please believe the evidence I have seen first hand . It’s not the end of days but everyone should consider the threat to a exodus is real. Some businesses are also using the Brexit umbrella to systematically dissolve their failing interests . On the up side there will be a new dawn and new opportunities... a new hope but anyone who thinks that this won’t be a struggle over time is wrong

We will all get used to the change but shouting F off the EU is an embarrassment

As is the idea that without the U.K. the EU will fall. I am betting neither one will

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Channel flicking just now, and thought I'd check out Newsnight, but as I did I said to myself 'I bet they're talking about Labour anti-Semitism'. Sure enough, I won the prize. The Tory party is riddled with racists, has commissioned a report on whether its own policies have contributed to the explosion of food banks (for ****'s sake!), and is leading us inexorably towards Brexit Armageddon, but no, we must discuss Labour's Jewish issue over and over a-****ing-gain. The BBC is ****ing obsessed with this ****.

BBC is New Labour, so Corbyn's in their sights just as the Tories are

 

[Stroller]

BBC is New Labour, so Corbyn's in their sights just as the Tories are

Well if that were true they'd go after the Tories too.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Well if that were true they'd go after the Tories too.

Are you kidding me? They're always after the Tories. They were all over Windrush, but the difference between the Tories and Corbyn is that the Tories apologise and put things right. Corbyn has been such a stubborn old git over antisemitism, the pressure has simply build by the day.

 

[TheBigDipper]

Given our FPTP voting system, I (like most other people I suspect) cast my vote based on which party I would like to see in government, rather than for my local representative or for a potential PM. Sadly, I live in a safe Tory constituency, so my vote is pretty much worthless. I would vote for pretty much any non right-wing candidate that I thought might stop the Tory getting in.

Understood, and me too, last time. Futile, where I live, too - but I'm not going to move just to change that!

I'm trying to understand where the balance is between personal identity, membership of tribes, political personalities and party policies when it comes to people casting their votes. It's Ellers fault. He commented on people voting for Corbyn and it started me thinking again. Never a good sign...

Anyone else?

 

[bobmid]

Anyone who votes for Corbyn seriously needs their head tested. The bloke has supported terrorist groups, murders. He always goes against his own country. And finally, he has been found out with his Jewish problem.
He will never get elected PM. Funnily his supporters will not accept the truth. They blame everyone other than Corbyn. How desperate.

Blame him for what exactly? I'm no fan nor do I dislike him and I also don't think Labour will come back into power with him at the helm. As for supporting terrorists, I don't know anything about that. I'm not sure if it's on par with meetings with Saudis and weapon sales to them or not. Governments are all the same Tory, Labour, etc they lie to get in power and do everything possible to stay in. They slate the opposition at every turn to try gain votes. I'm personally experiencing the NHS first hand with my mother at the moment and it is nothing short of chaos. We really need to concentrate on things that matter to lives and not whom says or does this or that. Whether Corbyn dislikes Jews, whether May can't control her party etc does not help what's happening in people's daily lives right now. Politics is so out of touch with reality.

 

[DT’s Socks]

What what I make of it Corbyn has stuck headfast re his opinions about Israel’s current day antics

I certainly share that view 100% but would never vote for him as an individual. Who would vote for any of them at the moment if we could?

I would vote if there was a GE today for anyone who kept us in the EU

 

[sb_73]

Do you approve or disapprove of people who vote for an individual at a general election, Ellers? Even though they are, on the surface, voting to elect their local MP to represent them at parliament, they actually know nothing about the candidate they put a cross next to except for the fact they're in the same party as someone they like? For example, voting Conservative and electing Chope (where I live) just because they like May? Or because they don't like Corbyn? And I mean the tribal vote for a person, here, not the party manifesto policies themselves.

Would you vote for the Conservatives because you like their policies? Or because you like May? Or because you don't like Corbyn? There's potential for an interesting debate here if we can keep the elephant in the room out of it.

I don’t approve or disapprove of people who vote for an individual or a party, though like Strolls I suspect that in General Elections most people vote on national issues and on party lines, and the way their parents vote.

I have been put off voting for the party I have voted for most frequently in the past by actually meeting the local candidate, who was a card carrying caricature of the most stupid elements of her party. The current encumbent, who I did vote for, was a shock winner and has made absolutely no impression either locally or in Westminster.

As I actively don’t want either the Tories or Labour to form a majority government after the next election the next vote becomes quite a challenge. There is a very high probability that I won’t vote at all for self respect reasons, though I will certainly enter the booth with pencil and ballot sheet. I suspect there is a very high chance of another hung parliament though, and I will hope a slightly less hideous governing coalition emerges from this, one which drags the more extreme of the partners towards the centre rather than the other way round, as we seem to have now.

 

[Stroller]

Are you kidding me? They're always after the Tories. They were all over Windrush, but the difference between the Tories and Corbyn is that the Tories apologise and put things right. Corbyn has been such a stubborn old git over antisemitism, the pressure has simply build by the day.

Now you must be kidding me, Goldie. The Windrush story was bubbling under for years in The Voice (sadly not as influential as the Jewish Chronicle), but the BBC never picked up on it until first the Guardian and then other mainstream media reported it. Even then, there wasn't anything like the concerted campaign that there has been against Corbyn. If there had been, it would have been May that was forced to resign, not Rudd.