Off Topic The Politics Thread

  • Please bear with us on the new site integration and fixing any known bugs over the coming days. If you can not log in please try resetting your password and check your spam box. If you have tried these steps and are still struggling email [email protected] with your username/registered email address
  • Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%
  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%

  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
How ironic also that both Nazism and Fascism were born on the left. Both described themselves as forms of Socialism and were rabidly anti Capitalist, anti Church and anti monarchy. As for Corbyn - the whole thing is being exagerated to damage him and to stifle legitimate criticism of Israel. Apparently it is racist to describe the policies of a country which has a 'segregated road network', a 'dual justice system' and a 'Jewish nation state' (which entrenches ethnic inequality in law) as racist. I would raise 2 questions here.
1. Why is every criticism of Israel or Zionism viewed as anti Semitic ?
and
2. Why do we have a special ''Code on anti Semitism'' which is different from general laws regarding racial or religious discrimination. Thereby implying that Jews need special protections which eg. Gypsies do not enjoy ?

Have a look at the stuff that people like Willsman who is a close mate of Corbyn are coming out with. Even Tom Watson said it disgusts him. It's racist and nobody can rationally defend it, Cologne
 
  • Like
Reactions: rangercol
How about a vote leave or stay....Oh we have done that, need to move on.
Well it’s easy we only need to do Vote Stay or leave and we would have the actual result

Can anyone imagine what is would be like
We were all lied to first time
I certainly don’t want another time where these tosses from both side are allowed to be given oxygen to play power rangers
 
why has the british trucking industry become unsustainable

the true knights of the road

You must log in or register to see images
 
I don’t think Fascism in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia, Argentina was anti Church. The Catholic Church was very much in step with them.

Perhaps if a few more anti Zionists could distinguish between Zionists and just being Jewish your ‘we’re the real victims, you’re picking on us’ bleats would be unnecessary. I won’t hold my breath, though it seems even John McDonnell has lost patience with this ****, which of course weakens genuine, measured, anti Zionism.

Zionism emerged from the desire of Jews to escape endemic Anti-Semitism across Europe, something which it seems is still prevalent, and I for one don’t have a problem with the concept. Of course the issues with the Palestinians, who equally deserve a proper homeland need sorting, and the toxic mix of a nationalist Israeli government and a militant Islamic Palestinian regime in Gaza makes this very unlikely. Better chances were missed in the past.
A good post. I was referring only to Mussolini's rule in Italy which had the highest percentage of state owned industry outside of the USSR, hence the left wing connection - as for the church Mussolini had previously referred to priests as ''Black Germs'', and hated the church but realized that he had to come to a compromise with it in Italy. I was using the word 'Fascist' only to describe a movement which had it's roots in the will to resurrect Republican ancient Rome - what Argentina or Spain did may have had similarities but was not the same.
 
All of us Leavers and remainers
Imagine if we had to go again?
Doom and gloom v Fantasy dreams
No fantasy and dreams from me. I said it would be different/difficult at the beginning due to being tied up in the mafia organisation for 40 years however, I have always said our economy is resilient which it is and we will be okay. Besides anyone with a bit of common sense will know that the Europeans always collapse in the end. There will be a deal. Big business is always the winner.
 
No fantasy and dreams from me. I said it would be different/difficult at the beginning due to being tied up in the mafia organisation for 40 years however, I have always said our economy is resilient which it is and we will be okay. Besides anyone with a bit of common sense will know that the Europeans always collapse in the end. There will be a deal. Big business is always the winner.

There seems to be a suggestion at the moment, that while Germany and France are holding fast for reasons of principal (and because France thinks it can benefit from Brexit industry fall out), other EU countries realise how much they will be damaged by a no-deal. Expect then, that there will be a breaking of ranks in the EU if October passes without an agreed compromise.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ELLERS
Made in Europe exactly how will we get new ones into the UK?
Who will buy them if we don't? People need to remember we import a lot of stuff from the EU and without us buying those goods it will cause major problems in those countries. As the German minister said on the BBC we want a deal because a no deal will be bad for all parties.
 
Common Market Sense
The EU won’t be a concern for the U.K.
Can’t understand why you want it to fall apart ?
Especially because I haven’t read a single objective, idea or strategy from you on how you plan to solve any of the problems that Brexit throws up .

Sod the EU
I want to hear the new plans
 
There seems to be a suggestion at the moment, that while Germany and France are holding fast for reasons of principal (and because France thinks it can benefit from Brexit industry fall out), other EU countries realise how much they will be damaged by a no-deal. Expect then, that there will be a breaking of ranks in the EU if October passes without an agreed compromise.

Agree mate and I heard the same. Some of the smaller countries rely heavily on trade with us and will kick off if the big two start playing games. We all know how many cars we buy from Germany and Wine from France. When they realise what it will actually mean to them they will back down. Those French farmers will be crying in their grapes and the only reason our lorries will be held up will be because of those farmers demonstrating. We all know the French will strike over anything.
It's just sad we have a weak PM and seem to have blown our negotiation hand. Look what Trump did to the EU? They bottled out and went running to the White House. We should have done the same.
 
Agree mate and I heard the same. Some of the smaller countries rely heavily on trade with us and will kick off if the big two start playing games. We all know how many cars we buy from Germany and Wine from France. When they realise what it will actually mean to them they will back down. Those French farmers will be crying in their grapes and the only reason our lorries will be held up will be because of those farmers demonstrating. We all know the French will strike over anything.
It's just sad we have a weak PM and seem to have blown our negotiation hand. Look what Trump did to the EU? They bottled out and went running to the White House. We should have done the same.

French Wine it can be flown in as it is now
French Cars and Trucks our number German cars. Plus France owns Vauxhall now
 
Well it may take a bit longer
11,000 through Dover each day
6,500 through the French Owned Euro Tunnel

You are not making sense DT.
We won't need the tunnel if it's a no deal as according to some we won't get food or medicines from the EU. There will be a lot of French workers out of work as well.