Off Topic UK / EU Future

you do have to wonder. My dad's Irish and I asked my mum how he'd have reacted if she had ever referred to him as Welsh. I'm not going to share her response...

 

Spain 3.00% growth in GDP
Holland 2.80%
Euro Area 2.50%
Germany 2.30%
France 1.70%
Italy 1.40%
UK 1.20%

When even Italy is doing better than the UK, then it shows how low the UK has sunk.

 

Trump gained planning permission for his golf course on the east coast of Scotland by making all sorts of promises about building hotels, creating employment etc. none of which has actually happened. In addition he has ruined a SSI area, something he said he would protect and improve. Can we trust such a person?

 

Growth in the EU has been consistently falling since last year.

2nd quarter growth 2018
UK 0.4%
France 0.2% even worse than Italy. This followed a growth rate of 0.2% in first quarter.

French unemployment numbers rising again. Macron mirage not working.

 

Trump is a much safer bet than the fiddling eurocrats, he has become twice as popular as slippery Macron.

 

I take it that sooner or later you will admit that your dear leader is even less popular than Macron. With only 22% of the UK population thinking the government is doing a good job, it is sinking towards the lowest approval administration in the history of the country.

 

Her silly attempt to appease the eurocrats was a disaster but at least her government is achieving high employment, lowest unemployment for four decades and better growth than France this year.

There is a chance of replacing our leader this Autumn for a Brexiteer, you are stuck with the failing Macron for years.

 

What a state France must be in if the UK beats it on growth with all the Brexit baggage the UK is currently dealing with, good sign for the future.

 

Yet still the government has such appalling approval ratings. Still maybe after another walk in the hills she will call another election.

 

Was that it? You haven't actually answered the question. Again.

 

No, the Tory Party is still about level with the LP, it is May whose attempt to appease the eurocrats that the Uk has rejected. An election with a different Tory leader will probably produce another five years in power. Labour should be miles ahead in the polls by now, they just look unelectable with the Marxists running their show.

 

So, the Marxists are running the show Just repeat the same old mantras time and again and some will start to believe them. The level of nationalization which is on the programme of the Labour Party is no more than you would find in any mixed economy in Western Europe. Is there any talk in the current Labour Leadership about collectivizing all the means of production ? Any talk about a future dictatorship of the proletariat ? Or planning for an 'October Revolution' ? I don't think you will find any of these.......but all you have to do is talk about nationalizing a few key industries such as railways, post, energy concerns - things which are normal in other Western European states and the cry of 'Marxism' is raised.

 

I just listen to the scores of Labour MPs who describe their leadership in those terms and are concerned at the current direction of travel the party is going. You must admit the LP should be streets ahead in the polls, something serious is putting the public off.

 

Which one of those 'Scores of Labour MPs' has described Corbyn as a Marxist ? The problem is that every time Labour pulls a little ahead in the opinion polls (as at present) the media machine panics and starts mud slinging in Corbyn's direction. Which is eg. evidenced by the present intensive media concentration on supposed anti-Semitism in the party.

 

Party politics have nothing to do with the current situation. The Tory party is split, the Labour party is split, the country as a whole is also split. No one knows where the Government is trying to take people, hard, soft, deal, no deal Brexit. No one knows if the Labour party is in favour of staying in the single market and customs union, or are they in favour of creating their own version. The fact that the government had their majority removed has shown that they do not have the backing of the country anymore than the Labour party do. This has all come about by asking people to choose between two options that were simplified to the lowest form possible. Ask someone if they would like a cold drink on a hot day and they will thank you and take it. Ask the same question, but tell them they will have to pay a high price for it you might get a different answer. Maybe it would be that they would like the drink, but didn't know until the glass was half empty that they would be expected to pay.
There are people in both parties trying to use the current turmoil to unseat the leaders adding even more uncertainty to the situation. Politics have hit an all time low with people both at home and abroad shaking their heads in disbelief.

 

What we do know is the two main parties that supported Brexit gained 82% of the votes at the last election. It is quite understandable there are different positions on Brexit in political parties, even the Lib Dems were split. Unlike many EU countries it is comforting to know the UK politics is firmly in the middle ground, we don't do extremes in the UK.

The UK government used the same method on the UK's membership as was previously employed, much less whinging on process back in 1975, I wonder why?

The difficulties of negotiating with the EU is completely unsurprising, their desperation to avoid superior competition from an unshackled UK is also understandable given the mounting difficulties facing the 'project'.

 

'We don't do extremes in the UK.' I thought that, according to your last post, the Labour Party was in the grip of Marxists.

 

well it will have been somewhat milder than if she had confused him with being English

 

It is, that is why it's own MP's and the country cannot support it. You have still not answered why it keeps losing elections and still failing to attract support amongst floating voters?