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Hungarian GP Thread (the lazy version)

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by allsaintchris., Jul 27, 2018.

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Who is Hungary for victory?

Poll closed Jul 28, 2018.
  1. Hamilton

    2 vote(s)
    13.3%
  2. Bottas

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  3. Vettel

    6 vote(s)
    40.0%
  4. Kimi

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  5. Ricciardo

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  6. Mad Max

    2 vote(s)
    13.3%
  7. Anyone from teh rest of the field as they stand no chance so little point in putting anyone else up

    2 vote(s)
    13.3%
  8. Me

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    It is your responsibility to drive within the limits of yourself, the car and the track at all times. You should at all times drive within those limits. He was going one way and one way only - straight on.
     
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    Would have been sacrificing P2 and allowing Vettel to put Hamilton under a modicum of pressure. Made sense for Kimi to try it, but Bottas staying out was "Best case 2nd, worst case 4th". Whilst pitting was "best case 3rd, worst case 4th".

    It made sense for both Bottas' potential points haul, and helped the team secure the win.
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    they are but equally you can say bottas knew full well he had not the tyres to do what he did in either.

    the vettel one imo is rich given hamilton and wolf accused.raikkonen of deliberate contact in corner 2 of a race after locking up and raikkonen grts a very harsh 10 seconds.

    imo bottas put his car where he knew he had bob hope of stopping.

    if vettel was out and hamilton gained another 25 points the championship would be all but over.

    so.... when a driver knows full well he has no grip and does that... well... why?
     
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    Bottas lost his head. Grid penalty deserved.
     
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  5. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    Once Ham got 10-15s ahead, he had the race won. Bottas would have probably got 4th.
     
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  6. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Bottas knew he was on dead tyres and that he'd lost both corners, silly moves that could be called 'misjudged', but they were not dissimilar to the incidents that got the Ferrari drivers penalties.
    I don't think it makes any difference to the result, but for the sake of consistency.....
     
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  7. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    :emoticon-0148-yes:

    Well. He just says I had understeer and locked up - Racing Incident. That’s pretty obvious moving forward now!
     
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  8. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    I still think Ricciardo didn’t play it clever. He must have been told that Bottas had front wing damage. As soon as he went round the outside I thought the collision was inevitable.

    Bottas fully at fault for the first incident.
     
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  9. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    it's not for the severity of the incident, but the assumed context they happened in, for example, Piquet jr didn't hit anyone
     
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  10. SaintsForTheWin

    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    Grosjean nearly decapitated Alonso in the past, no ban. Yes Bottas didn’t cover himself in glory, but a ban is over the top.
     
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  11. Smithers

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    Hindsight obviously. Bottas also knew he could not turn into a 90 right approaching pinned to the pit lane. Why he defended the inevitable so agressively is beyond me.
     
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    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    Don’t get me wrong, I agree but he’s a racing driver. He’s going to naturally defend it. With all the passes Dan had carried out on the inside, I thought he would do the same. The place was his no matter what, he could have backed out and would have had him with ease in corner 2.
     
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  13. Smithers

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    It’s not even a racing incident so that standard is acceptable moving forward.
     
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  14. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    If Bottas was guilty of purposefully trying to put his team-mates closest title challenger out of the race, yes it would. I don't think it was premeditated though, I just think it was a 'going for the gap' rush of blood.
    On the other hand, he does have a habit of 'getting someone back' whether by accident or design, I couldn't say
     
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    It’s obviously perception, and some will have a differing version. Let’s revisit this next season, with his historical and see if people’s perception has changed.
     
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    SaintsForTheWin Any holes a goal

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    I don’t think it was deliberate, just stupidity
     
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    T1 is the only really big stop on the circuit, Bottas was taking that for the first time since the damage when Ricciardo attacked. If Bottas braked in the same spot (or later) than the previous lap, then he's a moron and yes should be penalised. If Bottas brakes earlier to compensate for the damage, and simply hasn't compensated enough, then to me it's a racing incident.

    Without that braking point data I don't think you can definitively say Bottas should be penalised for the Ricciardo incident.
     
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    Ok, your probably right - infact I hope for the good of the sport you are. Really worries me though that there is no penalty for being out of control.

    After his interview he thinks both drivers turned into him, so I can’t see his approach changing.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    penalty for hitting hamilton in corner 2 = 10 seconds


    penalty for hitting someone passing you in Hungary?

    that's all that needs to be said.

    in truth all imo as racing incidents but a rewarding is so inconsistent
     
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    Obviously helps if your on the racing line though. Watch the slow motion and you will see he locks the brake, then comes of the brake and then makes contact. There is obvious pros and cons to this, but doesn’t smack of a driver desperate to avoid contact, with full lock on and on the grass/kerb. I’m being very cynical I know and without the data totally blind, but my gut says otherwise. It’s an opinion and not fact.
     
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