It's his own fault. If he looked where he was going, he wouldn't have crashed, and he wouldn't have ruined kobayashi's race by damaging his car.
Half his front wing was already hanging off anyway (Kobayashi). But it didnt really hinder his performance.
Firstly, thanks Silver. - Thanks for doing the job; you're vitally important. Now, I'd like to make it clear that I was not suggesting that the necessary checks not be done! In requesting "hands off", I am referring not to basic safety checks but actions thereafter when it has already become clear that a driver is OK. I was making a general statement about the state of mind a driver might have after it has been established that he IS ok. I hope there is no confusion here because obviously it is of vital importance to make a thorough check that a driver is OK. What I am really referring to is the way in which some marshals insist on marching a driver away by grabbing hold of them! And nothing to do with initial checks.
Oh ofc not, I like talking to drivers because you try to find some neutral ground on how to approach them when on weekends. I haven't done marshalling this year becuase of other things being in the way. Dont know of any marshals that would have the nuts to grab a driver after a shunt, tbh probably deserves a good whooping lol. Best way is to just show them where to go or just put your hand behind their back assuring them of where to go etc... I suppose marshals are a bit "gun ho" when it comes to safety, but they have to be to the point of annoying everybody, because trust me we get bollockings if we dont follow the "book" and might be rejected the next time round, though I havent met the uptight chief marshals yet so I could be a bit unaccurate. It is quite funny though, you are so calm getting out, and there's marshals bricking it wanting him to hurry the **** up lol, your race was ruined and so many thoughts are going through your head while the marshal wants to live to see another day
@SilverArrow where have u marshalled mate also how do marshalls decide what is yellow flag conditions, SC conditions etc
How can you even get a job in Marshalling? I have done all the "exams" (not exactly exams but similar) and got a type of licence saying im fit to do it. But I just cant seem to get a job.
Was only a trainey for the year, but Brands hatch. Yellow flags are decided by the flag marshal that considers that the "incident" in his sector is worty of it. If a car spins and stalls, or goes of track for a long time, the yellow flag comes out to warn the coming drivers, and a few other reasons. Really it depends how serious you see it, is it really worth the arm waving or will it Be sorted in a second or two? If it's the next post waving a yellow, you have to put up a stationary yellow flag to tell drivers up front there is a problem and you cant overtake etc... Safety car is decided by the control tower, though if a marshal waves his arms in the air it means: "help, something is wrong" which the marshal at spa did. In the bigger series, the flag marshals have a radio and are told who to flag and not on experience eye, because we cant keep track of every front runner lapping somebody, sometimes there's like 8-9 of them doing it. @Fred: It's not really a job, more like a hobby, though the bigger series do have their own personal marshals that look after drivers in their own posh Safety car. Though I gather they have medical experience.
If a driver crashes, let him sort out his own car. That would encourage better driving, and get rid of the Hamilton's of this world, who think it's all right to crash willy nilly, because the marshalls will fix all the mess that the ****er creates.
Well actually we only clear the debris and the car with the crane, the track crew sort out the rest out when it comes to barriers and fences being destroyed, we sit down and have a pork pie and tea etc...
When it's raining you dont care whats in your flask lol. But if you love motorsport, for the love of Sebs finger go out and do it, you also get entered into raffles at certain events and get free gear and money.
I'd hate to be a marshall. Having a whining, overpaid ponce shouting at you whilst you clear their car because they ****ed up and can't accept it. I'd rather remove my brain transnasally than be a marshall.
Unfortunately I don't have the time, my free time involves caving and dealing with unprepared people in caves. Being a marshal means you usually get a good seat for the race, and you can be useful
I fully respect your position on this Silver and it sounds to me like you'd be the marshal I'd be hoping for. But I've quoted this part of your comment because of the eagerness with which some "just put a hand behind our backs…". Some do it so intrusively that they actually touch and sometimes hold; and it can be seriously irritating, especially when you have already got the idea of where to get to quickest safety. Direct a driver. Make it clear where to go but try to avoid personal physical contact unless it's absolutely vital.
I guess it comes down to the moment, but I guess you'd want to guarantee that the driver gets out of the firing line rather than hoping he will in his own time. A upset driver is a lot better than a seriously injured one so if they need to be physically directed behind the barriers so be it.
Some if your posts, though provoking, only leave me shaking my head thinking: "No real point addressing that."
I agree BrightLamp. My point is that very few actually need to be "physically directed". It is usually very obvious. But of course, when it is not obvious and if a driver appears confused, I know for one that I'm happy for someone to point me in the right direction. Rarely is there a real need for physical contact.
The problem will be that although you know what you need to do the marshal doesn't know that you know what to do. With retrospect I'm sure marshals could deal with certain situations better but at the time they have seconds to clear a driver from a nasty position. I see what your saying Cosicave, and I agree with you but sometimes you have to play it safe, or at least I would.
