Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Stroller]

A poll published in the Times today has first preferences:
Remain 50%
Leave with deal 17%
Leave with no deal 33%
And second preferences
Remain 55%
Leave with deal 0%
Leave with no deal 45%

I’m no expert at analysing these things but it might point to a Remain v Leave No Deal face off making most sense.

Interesting that so many people would be content to leave without a deal - the outcome that we were told 'nobody wants'. Presumably they all support a united Ireland

Remain v Leave With No Deal might wind up as the only options, but in the unlikely event that this ****ed-up government can agree some kind of proposition to put to the EU, this would have to remain a third option.

 

[ELLERS]

There won't be another referendum so what is the point of discussing the issue. It's pure fantasy. A last-ditch attempt to derail Brexit.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Labour under Corbyn. The international definition of antisemitism is not good enough for the Labour Party and is being changed so that Jews may be called Nazis.

Jewish Labour MP and ex minister, Margaret Hodge complained to Corbyn and is now is subject to disciplinary action.

Under Corbyn, Labour has become a racist party. Unfit for government.

 

[awjm]

Labour under Corbyn. The international definition of antisemitism is not good enough for the Labour Party and is being changed so that Jews may be called Nazis.

Jewish Labour MP and ex minister, Margaret Hodge complained to Corbyn and is now is subject to disciplinary action.

Under Corbyn, Labour has become a racist party. Unfit for government.

Not that I particularly like Corbyn but about 36 Jewish groups from around the world have come out criticising the definition. It is not the "international" definition. It's a definition from a recognised body. Further, Labour has adopted it in its basic form but hasn't included the specific examples.

That's not me saying there isn't racism in the party. But I do find it odd how there seems to be blatant and systemic Islam centred racism and prejudice in the Conservative party that seems to get ignored.

 

[awjm]

Labour under Corbyn. The international definition of antisemitism is not good enough for the Labour Party and is being changed so that Jews may be called Nazis.

Jewish Labour MP and ex minister, Margaret Hodge complained to Corbyn and is now is subject to disciplinary action.

Under Corbyn, Labour has become a racist party. Unfit for government.

Also, it's important to remember that there is no official Jewish voice.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Not that I particularly like Corbyn but about 36 Jewish groups from around the world have come out criticising the definition. It is not the "international" definition. It's a definition from a recognised body. Further, Labour has adopted it in its basic form but hasn't included the specific examples.

That's not me saying there isn't racism in the party. But I do find it odd how there seems to be blatant and systemic Islam centred racism and prejudice in the Conservative party that seems to get ignored.

The Conservative Government has a Muslim Home Secretary, so I'm not sure at what level you think the Islamic racism is taking place.

This is the first I've heard of the 36 Jewish groups, but I've not seen any Jewish people lining up to support the changes Corbyn wants made.

 

[bobmid]

The Conservative Government has a Muslim Home Secretary, so I'm not sure at what level you think the Islamic racism is taking place.

This is the first I've heard of the 36 Jewish groups, but I've not seen any Jewish people lining up to support the changes Corbyn wants made.

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[bobmid]

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Doesn't really matter what level it is does it?

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Doesn't really matter what level it is does it?

It does if there isn't one

 

[kiwiqpr]

Not that I particularly like Corbyn but about 36 Jewish groups from around the world have come out criticising the definition. It is not the "international" definition. It's a definition from a recognised body. Further, Labour has adopted it in its basic form but hasn't included the specific examples.

That's not me saying there isn't racism in the party. But I do find it odd how there seems to be blatant and systemic Islam centred racism and prejudice in the Conservative party that seems to get ignored.

what is this islam centered racism you speak of

 

[bobmid]

Stroller posted it many pages back about 50 odd Tory party members and mps sacked due to it. Listen it happens in every party. I'm not particularly arsed either way as I'm not Jewish or Muslim. It's pathetic tit for tat low quality sniping when there are more pressing issues at hand

 

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Not that I particularly like Corbyn but about 36 Jewish groups from around the world have come out criticising the definition. It is not the "international" definition. It's a definition from a recognised body. Further, Labour has adopted it in its basic form but hasn't included the specific examples.

That's not me saying there isn't racism in the party. But I do find it odd how there seems to be blatant and systemic Islam centred racism and prejudice in the Conservative party that seems to get ignored.

If you want to talk about religious bigotry in the Tory Party then just look at their desperation to form a Government with the DUP. Any finger pointing at Labour when they rely on the likes of Sammy Wilson to keep them in power is bloody shameful.

 

[bobmid]

The Tories are screwed and they know it. Would it be any better under Labour.....I very much doubt it. British politics is at an all time low in my book

 

[Frome-Ranger]

Beggars believe so many people would leave with No Deal. I know Brexiters are wilfully damaging our future anyway but to such an extent? Why? I don't get it and none of the shouty mob on here have ever really stated anything near a convincing case.

 

[sb_73]

If you want to talk about religious bigotry in the Tory Party then just look at their desperation to form a Government with the DUP. Any finger pointing at Labour when they rely on the likes of Sammy Wilson to keep them in power is bloody shameful.

The majority of the criticism of the Labour Party’s response to the anti semitism within its ranks, which is not being denied, has come from within the Labour Party and from Jewish groups, not the Tories. It would be nice to see some self criticism, Mao style, from both sets of party leadership. Perhaps assuming the aeroplane position for a few hours would focus their tiny minds.

Boris Johnson’s entirely undevastating personal statement gets a lukewarm reception in the Commons and is relegated to third or fourth spot in the news. Meanwhile I am being bombarded by the Telegraph with messages telling me to look forward to his return to writing bollocks in the press next week. If I had a subscription it would have been cancelled.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

Stroller posted it many pages back about 50 odd Tory party members and mps sacked due to it. Listen it happens in every party. I'm not particularly arsed either way as I'm not Jewish or Muslim. It's pathetic tit for tat low quality sniping when there are more pressing issues at hand

Rooting out racism in either party is important. But we should all be able to speak out if certain criminal acts (****philia or terrorism, for example) are centered around certain areas of a particular religion.

 

[rangercol]

It's been a good few days for those of us who voted leave.
May winning the two latest votes means we won't be in the customs union or single market, if a deal isn't accepted by parliament. Good!!
Any time the odious Anna Soubrey is pissed off things must be going well for leavers.
Maybe I'll get what I voted for after all.

 

[QPR Oslo]

The Tories are screwed and they know it. Would it be any better under Labour.....I very much doubt it. British politics is at an all time low in my book

I agree because I think there is a majority in the UK, both voters and among Members of Parliament if allowed a completely free vote, for either remaining in the EU or just the single market, but neither the Tory or Labour leadership has or look likely to give us this.

 

[Goldhawk-Road]

It's been a good few days for those of us who voted leave.
May winning the two latest votes means we won't be in the customs union or single market, if a deal isn't accepted by parliament. Good!!
Any time the odious Anna Soubrey is pissed off things must be going well for leavers.
Maybe I'll get what I voted for after all.

May be I'll get what I'd like to vote for, and Soubry is certified and kept in a secure location for her own good

 

[sb_73]

There won't be another referendum so what is the point of discussing the issue. It's pure fantasy. A last-ditch attempt to derail Brexit.

The more it’s discussed (not on here, but amongst our esteemed leadership) the more likely it is to happen. In today’s Times (pro Brexit at the time of the referendum I think, or was that The Sunday Times...one of them was) puts the chances of a referendum at 50%, and an election at 20%. Either will be too late to influence the negotiations, so in an odd way I’m with you. There is no point having an referendum including the Chequers Deal, because that has not been, and won’t be, agreed with the EU.

If they did have a referendum on the lines suggested my first choice would be in, and second properly out. The Chequers Deal is a horrible **** up of an idea, unworkable and the worst of all worlds. The true options are stay in, Norway style deal (ie Single Market), or out (meaning out of ALL EU institutions) followed by negotiation of a Canada/Japan type trade deal.