Nobody on here has talked of living in huts, without everything - you are simply putting words into people's mouths. Please try to avoid being too patronizing Leo - other people have other ideas, which are as well thought out as your own.
Thatcher too was 40 years ago for goodness sake. Life in the UK is nothing like it was in the 60s and 70s. Yes I expect arbitration to be by a body set up by the government with a legally enforceable mandate. Independent judges. But you probably don't trust them either. The arbitration panel could consist of workers, employers and independent judges. It is not beyond the wit of man to move on from blackmail as a means of getting your own way. Arbitration would take place and thedecision would be mandatory and binding on both parties - so couldnot "fail". My views have nothing to do with my personal experience - try the 2 million Southern Rail commuters and millions of others.
Strong feelings here over what I consider are basic human rights. It is such a fallacy to consider we are in a more enlightened age where this rights is unnecessary and subject to strong negative emotions. Have a look at what on recently with Mike Ashley and how he treated people in his warehouses to have glimpse of why unions are so important.. Sent from my G3121 using Tapatalk
I think Margaret Thatcher was one of the first to talk about Victorian values and how much she respected them. You say class warfare is finished - open up your eyes and lookk at the distribution of wealth in the UK. - more uneven than nearly all other EU. countries, and more uneven than Britain in Victorian times. All middle class my arse. The middle class ideology has become the dominant one - that I will give you, and it has, unfortunately, been lapped up by many others.
No - that would be you. I said some people would have us living in huts - and made no mention of anyone on here saying it. Do not misquote me - I have put no words in anyone's mouth. I believe you are now being patronising - all I am doing is arguing a point - you keep personalising it on me. Try to stick to playing the ball not the layer - I am not SH for you to patronise. If you have well thought out idea then give them - do not refer back to historic times but look for solutions applicable to the society now here. I do not pretend my arguments are better or worse thought out because unlike you I am not comparing us - but simply putting a logical case.
If you think that life in the UK. has moved on from the 60s and 70s then you are probably right - the poor are still poor (poorer in fact) but no longer have the sense of membership of a social class to sustain them - they have just become dispossessed. Look at the numbers of homeless now compared to the 60s - or statistics on the division of wealth. Why is it, for example, that the difference in life expectancy in the poorest areas in the UK. is a full 12 years below that found in the richest - compare Hull with Kensington or parts of Surrey. This difference is higher than that found within any other EU. country. And you think that we have 'moved on' ?
People are richer than they have ever been. List the possessions people have now against a geneartion or two ago. Don't beleive all you read about food banks and poverty - there are always two sides even to that argument. You ask too many questions for answers to be relevant or pointful. There are hundreds of other questions you do not ask. I could respond but you will just ask another 12. Believe what you will. I will never convince you so see no point in trying. There is a saying about none so blind as cannot see. I think that applies to you if you honestly beleive that overall we are not richer than we have ever been. Compare life now to your beloved Victorian era.
Even the dozy French are getting fed up with the ongoing strikes in France. easyJet passenger in Paris bundled to the floor by security after headbutting air steward
The only way to sort out that complete and utter shower of talentless guttersnipes is to give them all lobotomies. On a brighter side there are now threats that they'll be locked in a room in Chequers this week and not allowed out till they have an agreement. They might be there forever. It's just a shame they can't chuck the DUP in there as well.
Should I ignore the food banks and the poverty then ? Maybe just sweep them under the carpet because it is inconvenient. Every statistic from every reliable source shows a growing wealth disparity in the UK. Grotesque concentrations of wealth which are fracturing British society - with the richest 1% owning more than the poorest 55%. These figures far out shadow anything found in the 19th Century, and far outshadow anything found elsewhere in the EU. You will remember that Thatcherism glorified the values of the Victorian era, and, to a certain extent, her ideology is still alive today - so it was not me that raised the subject of the 'Victorian era' - it was central to her ideology.
"Dozy French" Cheering on Argentina this afternoon are we? Actually you probably approved of Galtieri and his policy of dumping anyone who disagreed with him into a river.
They should strap a few French air traffic controllers on ducking stools, keeping some under for about five minutes, to encourage them to behave less selfishly and more responsibly.
But we know that many french communist party members are actually propelled from the well educated intelligentsia
