Depends on their salary and the terms of the employer. When I worked for the NHS, you'd get 6 months full pay, then 6 months half pay, then onto statutory sick pay. Some of the people I was managing on long term sickness were on £25k+ wages so no small sum when they are getting their wages and providing no value to the organisation, then there's the cost of paying their replacement, usually at a higher rate because you have to use agency staff. Agree though that the HR dept in the NHS (they've now contracted it out to a proper HR organisation) were ****ing atrocious at dealing with sickness and disciplinary action and regularly used to **** things up because they tried to wing it.
Sounds like you've been treated like **** mate. You said you're in touch with your union, and as I mentioned earlier it might be useful to talk to ACAS as they can advocate for you
Thanks . What will be will be , but I am saddened by the decision . Sort of numb if that makes sense . Just glad I am 53 not 23 !
Yeah sorry I should have specified that I meant the SSP period. Public sector sickness payments are so generous it virtually encourages it, and it’s become simply part of the culture, and therefore endemic. I did some work on a project around average sick days per annum a number of years ago, for a large PLC. As part of that project we had to compare that business with its peers but also with other industries and also the public sector. It transpired that the average days lost per employee in the business in question was a very creditable 4, the industry average was 9, and the public sector average was 27 ffs
**** em, Jasper. They’re trying to **** you over. Let the ****s have both barrels All in the sweetest nicest way, of course. It hurts em more if you smile sweetly while you’re ****ing em!
Yeah it was pretty bad in the NHS I have to admit. Generous terms did encourage people to milk it and the amount of employees who suddenly recovered as soon as their 6 month full pay term was up was uncanny. Part of my job was managing people's sickness alongside HR, but I found that there was a real lack of understanding from the executive about how and why sickness arose in the first place, much of which was down to work placed stress, lack of support and unrealistic expectations. They just tend to see it in terms of the bare stats and financial cost, without really bothering to try and address the root cause.
They would no doubt have argued that malingering added to the stress and workload of the rest. Heard it all before mate. There’s little understanding and even less real acceptance of depression and stress absences in my experience (there are exceptions obviously, but in general there’s a real awareness issue around mental illness in general and especially in the workplace imo) Unfortunately there are some who both milk it and abuse it. I’ve been involved in many a case were the stress and depression only became apparent directly after an altercation with their line manager. These people help create the culture of mistrust of anyone who suffers from genuine depression etc.
The irony regarding stress and depression in my line of work was that I was working for a NHS mental health trust. The care and support for staff mental health was non existent.
I work for the nhs and 3 different periods of sickness within twelve months automatically earn you a disciplinary with HR. No exceptions.
was watching valerian and the city of a thousand planets on @Number 1 Jasper recommendation. Not sure i like the story, the lead actor is a little dork. Enjoying it though as i'm a sci fi geek and i like the world that's been created. Also cara delevigne is pretty fit in it (Never been a fan but i'm turning)
I think that's part of the problem . People just accept the employers " laws " . I'm not saying I will win , but the people that witnessed the state I was in before I was sent home are stunned that my company are progressing it . HR call the shots in our place . I have to fight it and hope it gets to the seniors and they say WTF !
There's very clear employment law on these matters mate. If your organisation has flouted them, then you have a case for a grievance. Your Union should outline your rights, but as I mentioned you might want to contact ACAS too as they are the experts on employment law and employee rights.
Good luck with it all fella. You don't need your employers being ****s when you're going through a rough time. Hope it all works out for the best
Human Remains bods often have a corporate history that mostly consists of being ****ing useless at anything remotely productive.
