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Was Lewis Hamilton knocked out?

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Delete Me, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    There's starting to be a few whispers in the F1 paddock and of the F1 fans that Lewis was knocked out after the crash involving Kamui and that the main reason of the Safety car coming out was a marshal concerned for Lewis' lack of movment for a good while. He says he was winded and was just recovering from the shunt, but why didn't he responded with a hand movement showing he was ok?

    Thoughts? Will Lewis be 100% come Monza, or will he have to do what Perez did and take a race out... :huh:
     
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  2. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    When I first saw it my first thoughts where that he was unconscious. He made no attempt to steer or brake after the initial hard shunt, he just let it roll into the barriers. Plus he was just slumped there when the marshals initially arrived.

    Was a pretty hard smack so its no surprise if he wasn't at least briefly dazed.
     
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  3. Julius Caesar

    Julius Caesar Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I was worried for a second but i think he's fine. The recovery seemed very short for him to have actually been knocked out (not that im an expert though) I read it as more of a shocked reaction (or lack of).
     
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  4. di Fredsta!

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    He's had much bigger crashes than this, but I thought it too. Maybe hes not only going mentally but physically too? Maybe thats wy he caed Kobay "the other guy"
     
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  5. Kyle?

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    Wuss. It wasn't exactly a hard shunt, he's just looking for sympathy, because, yet again, he ruined someone elses race with bad, inattentive driving.
     
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  6. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    On the Speed coverage he looked out for a few moments. No brakes were applied going in to the tyers and no head movement. One of the marshalls came over and tapped him on the helmet and there didn't seem to be an initial response. As the marshall moved away you could see Hamilton's head start to move and then his hands. There was a graphic or something covering the bottom of the screen on the BBC coverage that I saw on youtube, but on Speed you could see his head and hands motionless for a while.

    I'm not sure if he was out or not.. but he sure looked it. That's why I was peeved at some responses to the crash... could have been nasty.
     
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  7. Delete Me

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    He did sound shaken up with the interview Mckenzie...
     
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  8. Masanari

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    To be fair Button called Hamilton 'the other guy' as well so maybe it is a Mclaren thing. :)
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Lets chuck you at a wall and see how well you cope.
     
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  10. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    <laugh> He didnt exactly get chucked and the noses are designed to take the impact ;)
     
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  11. Kyle?

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    I'd probably get knocked out, but i'd get back up eventually, without complaining. You're talking to someone who broke his foot and took a fortnight to realise that he'd broken it. I'm made of sturdy stuff.
     
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  12. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    it was still many MPH to zero in the space it took for the barrier to deform. That was a good few instantaneous G's even though he wasn't physically hurt.
     
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  13. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Not all impacts that cause injury have to be spectacular roll over, carbon fiber and wheels flying all over the place you know. I've seen drivers put out in impacts that look quite benign.
     
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  14. Kyle?

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    The senna crash for example. Didn't look too big, but had big consequences.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever watched the crash that killed Dale Earnhardt? It looked like nothing... in fact you could have probably started that car up and drove it off... but it killed him.
     
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  16. Kyle?

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    Yes i have, and it really does look pathetic. I'm not sure "The Intimidator" would have liked to go out like that. He'd probably prefer a fireball.
     
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  17. Delete Me

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    Good to see I've started a good post for once lol.

    Usually Cosicave comes on and just groans and wonders what the hell I'm doing lol
     
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    It sounds daft... but it wasn't a fitting end, you're right!
     
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  19. mephistopheles

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    A marshal is not qualified to asses whether a driver has suffered head trauma or not and has no choice but to call for assistance if the patient does not respond immediately, so it was most likely the reason the safety car was called out.

    There are two commonly used methods for assessing the level of consciousness of a patient, a simple procedure that requires minimal training, and a more complex procedure that requires substantial expertise.

    The simple procedure begins by asking whether the patient is able to move and react to physical stimuli. If so, the next question is whether the patient can respond in a meaningful way to questions and commands. If so, the patient is asked for name, current location, and current day and time. A patient who can answer all of these questions correctly is said to be "oriented times three" (sometimes denoted "Ox3" on a medical chart), and is usually considered fully conscious. A patient who can additionally describe the current situation may be referred to as "oriented times four".

    The more complex procedure is known as a neurological examination, and is usually carried out by a neurologist in a hospital setting.

    A formal neurological examination runs through a precisely defined series of tests, beginning with tests for basic sensorimotor reflexes, and culminating with tests for sophisticated use of language. The outcome may be summarized using the Glasgow Coma Scale, which yields a number in the range 3—15, with a score of 3 indicating brain death (the lowest level of consciousness), and 15 indicating full consciousness.

    The Glasgow Coma Scale has three subscales, measuring the best motor response (ranging from "no motor response" to "obeys commands"), the best eye response (ranging from "no eye opening" to "eyes opening spontaneously") and the best verbal response (ranging from "no verbal response" to "fully oriented"). There is also a simpler pediatric version of the scale, for children too young to be able to use language.

    So you can see that Lewis will most probably need to be assessed before the next race.

    But the safety car would have to have been called out anyway to repair the barrier.
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

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    I think you might have forgotten to type the rest of that point...

    *scratches head, goes for a beer, contemplates googling it, decides against it*
     
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