You might have realised i used Firenze as an example because of The Accadmia della Crusca. However, exactly as you said if i go to Florence i want to have the feeling of Italy, but the true feeling would be further sud where tourism has less of an influence except locally and is poorer as a consequence but cheaper far cheaper than the UK. But as you rightly say that is due to globalizaton including language which the academy is fighting back against. But this is just a tiny sample of what i object against, others call it progress. Although you only have to look no further than South Africa for the white farmer progress and what occurred, poor example i concede. Quite often i get asked about laws, to me no insult intended that seems a question quite often to justify a means it runs deeper than that for me and i have no intention of bogging myself down in that debate, which i could but fits no justifiable goals for my own morals. The be all and end all for me is seeing democracy be done, if that gets a democratic vote against in the next decade, then the voice of freedom takes its course from both sides of the fence.
I don't think so. I am pretty sure all forecast have our growth significantly lower with brexit. I do accept though that economics does not have to be the be all and end all and where someone can come up with good alternative reasons to have voted brexit I can accept that. What I did not like about brexit was the idiocy of people who claimed we were giving tons of money away and not getting a return on it; the clear xenophobia some have and the refusal to believe that we would probably be economically worse off. If you accept the third of those (which is almost certainly true) but consider it a price worth paying for ideals and for genuine concerns about the EU then I can respect it. Few people though have given their reasons like that.
Financially Brexit has been a disaster for me. This was not unexpected in the short term. Despite this I would still vote for it again.
All government departments were told not to plan for it. I suspect it was a mixture of arrogance, diverting resources to support staying in and concerns over Farage and co requesting to see the plans in the event that Remain won. I wholeheartedly agree about the ten year plan - but without a landslide no party could risk that. I also agree about the negativity. I want us to get the best deal like you - I'm just not sure what it looks like!
I had a very good discussion several months ago with brb, where we explored what he and I thought about the differences between nationalities and countries. Both of us agreed on quite a lot, and disagreed on other things. In April I was in Banbury High Street, and how it has changed in only twelve months. The independent baker gone, the independent butcher gone, the two independent shoes shops I used both gone. Lots of empty shops, but where there had been small businesses supplying useful things, they had been replaced with coffee outlets, or fast food chains. It is no longer the place I knew. The differences of ten years ago when I left are even more marked. I can go into my High Street here and it is still full of the small shops selling many things, not items you would buy everyday of the week. The small trader is still valued and supported here, and it creates a diversity that seems to be disappearing in the UK. Both countries are still currently in the EU, with one choosing a certain route, while the other has not. It has little to do with conformity with a superstate, but a choice for individual governments to either preserve what they think is valuable, or let it survive or fall on economic reasons only. No one has said that government must follow a certain line that will remove these differences. No one has ever said that the south of Corsica has to be exactly the same as a part of Paris. The difference are clearly there for all to see, and will remain. We can either accept that changes will take place and try to minimise the damage to what we like, or we wring our hands and try to blame someone else.
Brussels can be fairly blamed for its inflexibility on free movement when some parts of the UK have been changed forever due to the influx of migrants with different cultures and priorities. No wonder millions of UK citizens made immigration their main reason for voting for Brexit. The French would not be so accommodating to UK expats if they arrived en masse, often with little or no money.
Where have all these people come from SH? From what I notice on my trips over most of the migrants are from outside the EU. Can you look at someone from Poland as an example and without hearing them speak know they are not English? If you are talking about those who dress differently and are clearly not English, then that is all down to your own governments and especially the current PM who failed in the Home Office to control numbers. Nothing whatsoever to do with Brussels is it.
The inability to control migrants from the EU is clearly down to Brussels. Other EU leaders including Macron are now trying to add their own conditions to the idea of free movement. The intransigence in not listening to Cameron's request for a special case to limit the masses who wanted to come to the UK to avoid the hardship and damaging unemployment problems in much of the rest of the EU, was key to Brexit. Don't blame Farage for Brexit, blame Merkel. She also shoulders much of the blame for the huge rise in the far right and euroscepticism across much of the EU. There is no problem with the UK having immigration as long as it is controlled by the UK. We should have the ability to reject ISIS members from Paris and pickpockets from Romania. Doctors from Romania and surgeons from Paris are most welcome if they pass the criteria laid down by UK authorities.
You have sidestepped the question I asked. Where has most of this immigration come from? The EU or outside the EU?
If you mean has the non EU migration into the UK been higher than those from the EU in some years the answer is yes. The difference is most non EU migrants are key workers, and their immediate relatives, identified by the UK as urgently required labour to fill posts when UK workers are not available. In contrast the EU freedom of movement dictates that all from within the EU are able to resettle in the UK regardless of the consequences. If your area of France had an influx of non French from the EU so the local school had a minority of kids with French as their first language there would, understandably, be hostility from the locals over the massive change to their lifestyle. You seem to think the English, as England is mostly affected, should just accept these situations without comment. In my experience the French are one of the most racist groups I have ever come across, they keep their migrants firmly encamped in the banlieue slums.
I tend to support most of what SH says about immigration. However we were easily led into wrongly attributing all the blame to the EU. I know Cologne will come up with stats to show how many more arrived in other EU countries but that is irrelevant. Mainland Europe has always had people able to move around. The UK as an island has a totally different background. Other islands - Ireland and Iceland similarly have historically low rates of immigration. The fault though is only partly down to the EU. It was far more to do with successive British governments failure to develop a cohesive immigration policy. The UK has been terrible at implementing EU rules in a way to suit itself - the likes of France have been far more clever. As a result the British people have laid all the blame on the EU. When Romania and Bulgaria joined we could have limited their migration as did other EU countries like Germany - but Blair chose not to. That helped sow the seeds that the gutter press turned into full on xenophobia. They also of course totally failed to explain how many of the migrants were non EU - but that did not suit their mantra.
Cologne could very definitely produce statistics on this. The fact is that SH. is still pedalling this scaremongering nonsense when he implies that 'masses' are trying to leave the 'failing EU' to flood into the UK. As you say the figures do not support this - I am not going to bother producing immigration figures for other EU. nations which, in terms of only EU. immigration vastly exceed the UK's figures - there is no point. The use of figures and statistics against xenophobic propaganda has never worked, and probably never will do. The only reason it appears to be a mass, in the case of the UK., is because they all apparantly arrive at only a few points of entry. I also take exception at our xenophobic 'friend's' classification of our nearest neighbours as being the most racist people there are - such a generalisation about a whole nation does not belong on here. If I, or anyone else, were to make such a generalisation about the English then fur would be flying. I am also rather irritated by your taking of this xenophobic cretin under your wing.
Having lived in France and spoken to French people of all generations, all have unfortunately admitted to there being a real problem with racism in France. I experienced it at my daughter's French village school where the local Spanish families, who made basket ware, were ostracised by the other French parents. My eldest daughter married her black fiancee in our SW France village. They have experienced more negative situations during visits to France than anywhere else in the world except South Africa. Unfortunately there is a different reaction to a black /white couple in France than most other countries.
Whilst I was in 2 minds about inserting the last sentence it is long overdue. You, in common with the propaganda of Ukip, are pedalling propaganda intended to incite xenophobia.
You seem to have two real problems: 1, you cannot contain your rudeness for very long and 2, you cannot accept others have a different view based on their own experiences.
Well your better mind should have won because you have lowered yourself to ignorant name calling. I object to you telling me what I can support - and who. I have taken nobody under my wing but unlike most on here I am not in the camp that bullies someone who tries to be a lone voice - however he expresses his thoughts. I would have replied to some of your more mature post but in the circumstances am not inclined to.
