This is the very thing that I and others on this message board find so unwarranted, divisive etc. It would be out of order in any debating chamber.. .why should that be allowed here ?? It is a personal jibe for effect and is abusive. Stop it..........................
Agreed..... More so in such times of major decisions. What we are talking about is Constitution. Foolishly we as a country embarked on this path with no realisation or means of dealing with the implications.
For a successful Brexit it needed a government to be able to lead with a healthy parliamentary majority. The process was always bound to be made difficult by the remainers and others who want their version of Brexit. This was a time for strong decisive leadership knowing they would be judged at the next GE.
And that is democracy...........with all its checks and balances... we all have to live with it..... and make it work in the best way for the most people.
Sexist comment...... You just dont get it do you???? Or is it that you get pleasure out of this sort of dialogue..
We are currently having a decent debate if you don't like it find something else to do like watch the football.
You dont realise that your manner stops a lot of people posting do you??? I dont find it decent I can tell you that plainly. and yes like others I will leave you to it....
The UK FPTP voting system is here to stay for the foreseeable future. Neither one of the two main parties want to change from their current advantages. The system does however prevent parliament experiencing representation from the political extremes, far right and communists as prevalent in many EU countries. Some would argue this lack of diversity is a bad thing but it keeps UK politics firmly in the healthy middle ground.
What the majority of people who voted for Brexit do not seem ready to acknowledge is that their actions have infringed upon the basic rights of others. At the current point in time most of us have passports which make us citizens of the EU. - can citizenship be forcibly taken away in this fashion ? We are not talking about citizens rights being taken away from criminals here - but rather law abiding citizens who have enjoyed freedom of movement for many years based on pooled citizenship. The taking away of, or restricting of, citizenship rights is not a thing which should be taken in a flippant way. The people who voted for Brexit voted to leave the EU. ok. I can accept that - if they want to go then they can go, but do not force others to go with you - I am a European and I will remain that come what may. The same applies to many of our 16-20 year olds who have grown up in a World of school exchanges and frictionless European travel - all of which is going to be taken away from them. This is the main issue of Brexit - nothing to do with economics, but rather a human story. Brexiters should hang their heads in shame because of the disruption they are causing to the lives of others.
The British public had a right to vote in the long promised referendum. The exceptional high turnout showed the huge interest the public had in the subject and presumably understood most, if not all, of the consequences. Merkel and her merry gang could have prevented Brexit by addressing the UK's serious and legitimate concerns over uncontrolled immigration. It is now up to the EU to agree to as frictionless trade and movement as possible within its preferred outcome which is severely hampered by the overwhelming need to punish the UK for daring to reject the EU project.
Why is there always some sort of derogatory remark in every text SH ? 'Merkel and her merry gang'. Firstly Merkel is just one head of state within the EU. and is not qualified to negotiate on it's behalf. Secondly why should Germany show special understanding for the UK's immigration issue when they have 3 times as many migrants from other EU. countries as the UK. does. There is no nation in the EU. that has had it's own way more often than the UK. has, that has had more special concessions - enough is enough.
I'm pleased the controlling Merkel did not prevent Brexit. The whole of the EU is run basically for the benefit of Germany's huge export drive, everything else is of secondary concern. Trump is correct to address the unfair trading arrangement it currently endures with Germany, expect a correction soon. He will no doubt give the UK relief from his aggressive actions once we are uncoupled from this restrictive cartel.
There is the problem though. The country was almost equally split so a "healthy parliamentary majority" would not really have reflected the views of the electorate. What is would have done would have been to force through a brexit without trying to find a balance. Whether or not I like it (I don't) I have to accept we are leaving the EU because brexit won a small majority. Whether or not brexiters like it (they don't) the fact that about half the voters did not want any form of brexit means that what is done has to stand their scrutiny.
Come on Cologne - we all know we have our styles. Mine rubs a few people up he wrong way and you have to accept that the same goes for quite a few others on here. Why do we always have to comment on the particular style a poster uses? If someone wants to be rude about TM or JC or Merkyl does it matter? It is better than when we confront each other - it is not personal when the "target" is not one of us so accept there are different strokes for different folks. I would argue that each particular person's style helps determine whether or not they influence others on here. We can all judge how some comments fail to win their point due to how they are expressed.
The healthy parliamentary majority would have been able to exercise the result of the referendum by making sure the UK left the EU on the best possible terms. I'm afraid the losing, almost, half would have to accept the consequences of the result as they have to in general elections.
I think you will find that Germany did very well before the EU and would do equally well if it ever broke up. Do you honestly believe 28 countries would pool their sovereignty just to let Germany fuel its export drive?
That argument is a non starter Cologne. Whichever side won was bound to "infringe the rights of others". Leaving the EU was a monumental decision and was bound to have consequences. The fact that there are people who are worse off was inevitable. Those who voted for brexit believe that a greater good outweighed the bad. LIke it or not (I don't) we have to accept it. The country cannot have half its citizens leave - the decision affected everyone - tough but that is life. Beofre the EEC/EU we did not have some of those rights so at worst we are returning to a previous state. (and by the way school exchanges were going in the sixties - long before we joiined the EEC).
We never had anything like that in the 60s Leo - the best we got was a school trip to some ruins in St. Albans
