Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

Hmmm - with respect Page, I'm not sure I agree with all of this.
The "lesser" clubs contribute to the competitiveness of the league and that's what makes it so attractive to everyone - home and abroad, so they deserve enough to reflect that contribution.
Regardless of who "earns" the money, it needs to be distributed in a way that the structure of the league doesn't become any more unbalanced than it already is. Indeed, there's a compelling argument that the lower clubs should get a bigger share in order to keep them in the race. The big clubs have many more ways to generate income, through bigger money transfers, higher attendance figures, lucrative sponsorship deals etc.
Imo, the league needs its smaller fry as well as the big fish in the same way as society needs binmen as much as businessmen. No chief without indians.
Of course we want to be at the top, but not by greedily gobbling up all the dosh in the belief that we're somehow more deserving of it.
I like JWH, and I think he's done a very good job with the finances, which is finally starting to show some results on the field - but I don't agree with him here.

 

Not sure what one of those is, think you mean deconstruction

The rest of your post is another - oh that old forum tactic

 

With regard to what makes the PL attractive to overseas viewers - everyone keeps saying it's the competitiveness of the league. How do you all know this?

From what I've read on the subject and it's been going a few years now, the language and time of day games are shown are two of the biggest factors. Our games are scheduled by the tv companies at times to suit overseas viewers. Other leagues haven't been as accommodating. World viewers are less interested in watching La Liga games at 3 a.m. Also English football has been shown around the world a lot longer than other European football. The BBC and ITV were showing games before the invention of the PL so we already had a great world interest in English football. More countries understand the English commentary better than say German or Spanish which makes it more meaningful for them. Competitiveness I'd say doesn't play as big a part as some are claiming. The 'smaller' teams competing more came after the tv money.

 

A destruction of a glib assertion using facts....not complicated.

Pedantry - that old forum classic eh......

 

The popularity of the league is down to how it is marketed, it has established itself now and hopefully sustains its popularity. Or it could go the way of Serie A and drop off a cliff

 

Which completely ignores the fact that many overseas broadcasters of the PL have their own commentary, and our KO times vary widely, as do the time zones that take the product. That’s a nonsense argument.

 

All the EPL games can be watched at the exact time of kick off apart form UK, and EPL is very popular especially in Africa.

 

It's for the one making the claim to first prove it - do that - then comes the 'destruction'. ... not complicated

 

those overseas rights is still for the premier league though.

At the end of the day, no one wants the PL to turn into more like la liga where there is no fair equity.

It's a sad state of affairs in my book and i'm surprised that people are more for it as i would have thought the only people who would be in favour of this would be the bosses of the big clubs

 

if it's about money then theres only so much to be milked before competition fades.

imo in uk bt has given up on taking share now and fought to just keep some match slots. if the rules allowed sky would.try to out bid but it already knows it has all it can take so the price went down.


the reality is to keep feeding the beast more.markets have to be added. if the top clubs are already trying to eat the smaller clubs share then it must be getting towards some limit too.

for me it's ridiculous that a smaller.club can demand 50 or 70mil for a player or be in the tip 20 clubs in terms of money globally.

 

the 12 noon Saturday came is specifically for the far East and you will note that it has been big clubs playing it and they all hate it.

the Spanish league is now following suit.

12 noon UK is what in China 9 or 10pm?

then the 5:30 or even 7pm efforts are for the Americas.

it's all about pleasing markets and if actually match going supporters can't get a train/bus to an away game or back they don't care.

the 3pm kick off is almost dead. not quite but it really is the less desired slot.

you get better teams at noon and 5:30

hell sky's super Sunday is nearly dead! all for the markets being served.

 

The increasing demands of the overseas markets is due to the massively increased price they’re now paying, but the reason those markets were so desperate for the rights in the first place was due to the product being so desirable to football fans.

The reason the 12.30 and 5.30 Saturday KO times came into being wasn’t due to overseas demands it was merely driven by the desire for the PL to sell extra packages that included Saturday games, and they couldn’t have 3 pm due to the domestic rules on broadcasting at that time. So they sandwiched it.

 

I'm talking about what popularised it abroad in the first place. We play a lot earlier in the day than the other top European leagues who typically had 8 p.m. kick offs and still do [8.45 p.m. in Spain, France, Germany] They are only now really altering that to accommodate overseas viewers. Asia is a big market - they don't want to watch European games at 3 a.m. so they watch our games a lot earlier.

As for my commentary comment, I got that information from the BBC. Thailand, Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia pay almost half of the total tv rights money and they want English commentary, not German for instance. Maybe they can't or don't want to translate commentary or record their own, who knows.

 

The biggest growth markets in the new deal are China,the US and sub Saharan Africa.

 

oh right so you are telling me that the noon dead.mans game hasn't dropped the rubbish games and picked up far.more of the big clubs


and that even so classic has now happened on the slot in la liga?

it used to be to stop fans drinking and then having a fight but that's now secondary to having a big tie to show.

 

there's growth and theres growth

in pointed out where the majority of money is.

while you may well be right that growth is occurring in Africa somehow I doubt that means the money from China and Africa in real terms is anywhere near the same level

 

There's a certain irony in the fact that the 3 p.m. tv blackout came about in order to get supporters from 'smaller' teams going to the game rather than sit at home watching a 'big' team on tv. Fast forward and the 'smaller' teams need the money generated from the 'big' teams being on tv in order to survive.

 

So the Saturday lunchtime TV slot was all about stopping people drinking? And not about the £5BN DOMESTIC TV rights that Sky and BT paid for? Sure......

The domestic rights fetch nearly double the income currently of the overseas rights, and up until the last deal in 2016, it was about 3 times as much.

As I said, as the foreign broadcasters continue to pay more then their influence will increase, but their influence will always come secondary to the U.K. market, as none of them pay anywhere close to what Sky and BT do.

 

yeah. the actual service given to foreign countries verse what we get is massive.

In other places they can pick any of the games on to watch... then stream it illegally back to us to sell us porn and viruses and back accounts!

it really is strange.

somehow giving a poor service means at 3pk on a Saturday fans go to the likes of Mansfield instead

 

actually i think it's the other way round.

I think nowadays the smaller clubs draw in far fewer new blood. I wouldn't be surprised it's because theres so much football on tv nowadays that kids are drawn and gravitate to the teams they always see (plus the fact they win and score loads of goals), so the uniteds, cities, liverpool etc.

You have so many young glory supporting fans and players who are elevated to martyrdom that these youngers follow, that the smaller clubs are losing out on their local support imo.

With respect to tv in order to survive, with the tv money clubs feel they have to spend more to compete (generally true) so they are spending far more than they earn without tv so of course they aren't going to survive without the tv money.