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  1. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
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    Is that in cash or cheese?
     
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  2. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    Cash money.
     
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  3. eddieveeee

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    Isrealis admit that they were there to film the event, proves Isreali knowledge at the very least.

    Norad standown proves involvement of high ranking officials.

    Controlled demolition disproves "al qaeda" involvement.

    No one in their right mind believes the official story.
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

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    So they were involved? Or they were'nt? Which is it eddie?
     
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  5. DevAdvocate

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    Which Israelis? Would that be the "dancing" ones?
     
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  6. eddieveeee

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    yes and yes

    Your not going to claim that Isreali "photographers" knew and Mossad didnt surely?
     
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  7. Medro

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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14665953

    9/11 conspiracy theories

    It may be 10 years since the attacks in the US on 11 September, but conspiracy theories have not faded over time, says Mike Rudin.

    Numerous official reports have been published since the Twin Towers fell, but just when a piece of evidence casts doubt on one theory, the focus then shifts to the next "unanswered question".

    Here are five of the most prominent 9/11 conspiracy theories circulating in online communities.

    1. Failure to intercept the hijacked planes

    The question: Why did the world's most powerful air force fail to intercept any of the four hijacked planes?

    Conspiracy theorists say: The then US Vice President Dick Cheney ordered the military to stand down and not to intercept the planes.

    Official reports say: This was a highly unusual multiple hijacking with violence on board, and where the transponder, which provides the exact location of the plane, was turned off or changed.

    What is more, a routine military training exercise happened to be taking place that day at US air defence command.

    Air traffic controller Colin Scoggins was in constant contact with the military and did not see any lack of response. There was confusion and a lack of communication between the civilian air traffic control (FAA) and the military.

    The military's equipment was also outdated and designed to look out over the ocean to deal with a Cold War threat.

    2. Collapse of the Twin Towers

    The question: Why did the Twin Towers collapse so quickly, within their own footprint, after fires on a few floors that lasted only for an hour or two?

    Conspiracy theorists say: The Twin Towers were destroyed by controlled demolitions. Theories relate to the rapid collapse (about 10 seconds), the relatively short-lived fires (56 minutes in World Trade Center 2 or 102 minutes in World Trade Center 1), reports of the sounds of explosions shortly before the collapse, and the violent ejections that could be seen at some windows many floors below the collapse.

    Official reports say: An extensive inquiry by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the planes severed and damaged support columns and dislodged fire-proofing.

    Around 10,000 gallons of jet fuel were spewed over many floors starting widespread fires. Temperatures of up to 1,000C caused the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bend, causing the sounds of "explosions".

    The massive weight of the floors dropped, creating a dynamic load far in excess of what the columns were designed for. Debris was forced out of the windows as the floors above collapsed.

    Controlled demolition is always carried out from the bottom floors up, yet this collapse started at the top.

    No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges despite the extensive hand searches and there is no evidence of any pre-cutting of columns or walls, which is routinely carried out in a controlled demolition.

    3. Attack on the Pentagon

    The question: How could an amateur pilot fly a commercial plane in a complicated manoeuvre and crash it into the headquarters of the world's most powerful military, 78 minutes after the first report of a possible hijack and leave no trace?

    Conspiracy theorists say: A commercial Boeing 757 did not hit the building but instead a missile, a small aircraft or an unmanned drone was used. But since evidence has increasingly shown that the American Airlines Flight 77 did hit the building, the emphasis has shifted to questioning the difficult approach manoeuvre. It is argued it was not under the control of al-Qaeda but the Pentagon itself.

    Official reports say: Airplane wreckage, including the black boxes, were recovered from the scene and they were catalogued by the FBI.

    Although some early video did not show much wreckage, there is a good deal of video and still photography which shows plane wreckage and evidence of the flight path, such as broken lamp posts.

    The remains of crew and passengers on the plane were found and positively identified by DNA. Witnesses also saw the plane strike the Pentagon.

    4. The fourth plane - United Airlines flight 93

    The question: Why was the crash site at Shanksville, Pennsylvania, so small and why was the aircraft debris not visible?

    Conspiracy theorists argue: United Airlines flight 93 was shot down by a missile and disintegrated in mid air, scattering the wreckage over a large area.

    Official reports say: There are clear photographs showing aircraft wreckage and the cockpit voice recorder, which showed there had been a passenger revolt and the hijackers had deliberately crashed the plane.

    Initial theories that heavy debris was scattered many miles from the main crash site turned out to be false. In fact the wind had blown light debris such as paper and insulation just over a mile.

    Another theory was based on a misquote from the local coroner, Wally Miller, who said he stopped being a coroner after about 20 minutes because there were no bodies. What he also said was that he quickly realised it was a plane crash and there would have to be a large funeral service for the many victims.

    In addition, the military never gave orders to the air force to shoot the commercial airliner down.

    5. Collapse of World Trade Center Building 7

    The question: How could a skyscraper, which was not hit by a plane, collapse so quickly and symmetrically, when no other steel-framed skyscraper has collapsed because of fire?

    Conspiracy theorists say: The World Trade Center Building 7 was destroyed by a controlled demolition using both explosives and incendiaries.

    Initially the focus was on the phrase "pull it" used by the owner, Larry Silverstein, in a TV interview. But in fact he was talking about pulling firefighters back. (Demolition experts do not use the term "pull it" as slang for setting off explosives.)

    Now the focus has shifted to the speed of the collapse which reached near free fall for 2.25 seconds. It is argued only explosives could make it collapse so quickly and symmetrically.

    Some scientists, who are sceptical of the official account, have examined four dust samples from Ground Zero and claim to have found thermitic material which reacts violently when heated up. They claim tonnes of thermite and conventional explosives were rigged inside, not just WTC7, but also the Twin Towers.

    Official reports say: A three-year investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the building collapsed because of uncontrolled fires, started by the collapse of the nearby North Tower, and which burnt for seven hours.

    The mains water feeding the emergency sprinkler system was severed. No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges and there are no recordings of a series of very loud explosions that would have been expected with controlled demolition.

    Furthermore, there is an alternative explanation for the "thermitic material" the sceptical scientists found in the dust - it is just a type of primer paint. It's calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust (not necessarily in a large quantity). More extensive sampling of the dust has not found any evidence of thermite or explosives, says a report from the US Geological Survey and another from RJ Lee.

    The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - Ten Years On will be broadcast on Monday 29 August 2011 at 21:00 BST on BBC Two
     
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  8. eddieveeee

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    Thanks for clearing up the situation Medro <doh>
     
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  9. eddieveeee

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    1. offical report basically says that a training operation on the very day on 9/11 caused confusion.

    That training excersise that involved flying commercial airliners into important building, including the twin towers and the pentagon just happened by complete chance to be run on 9/11.

    If this dosent set alarm bells ringing I dont know what will.
     
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  10. eddieveeee

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    2. Around 10,000 gallons of jet fuel were spewed over many floors starting widespread fires. Temperatures of up to 1,000C caused the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bend, causing the sounds of "explosions.

    The highest temps recorded where less than 700C and most of the jet fuel was burned in the huge explosion on impact. The fires were starved of oxygen, people were able to get down from above the impact zone.

    The massive weight of the floors dropped, creating a dynamic load far in excess of what the columns were designed for. Debris was forced out of the windows as the floors above collapsed.

    This must be an old post as the pancake theory was disproved and NIST have since come out with another theory.

    No evidence has ever been found of explosive charges despite the extensive hand searches and there is no evidence of any pre-cutting of columns or walls, which is routinely carried out in a controlled demolition.

    True, but evidence of explosive material has been found. Debatable wether there is evidence of "pre-cutting"

    This NIST report has been shot to pieces and is widely considered an insult to science.
     
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    3 Airplane wreckage, including the black boxes, were recovered from the scene and they were catalogued by the FBI.

    Although some early video did not show much wreckage, there is a good deal of video and still photography which shows plane wreckage and evidence of the flight path, such as broken lamp posts.

    The remains of crew and passengers on the plane were found and positively identified by DNA. Witnesses also saw the plane strike the Pentagon.


    I have yet to see clear evidence of a plane or evidence that people were identified by DNA. Numerous witnesses also never seen a plane.
     
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  12. eddieveeee

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    3 There are clear photographs showing aircraft wreckage and the cockpit voice recorder, which showed there had been a passenger revolt and the hijackers had deliberately crashed the plane.

    Initial theories that heavy debris was scattered many miles from the main crash site turned out to be false. In fact the wind had blown light debris such as paper and insulation just over a mile.


    Not really looked into this particular event but Cheney did say in his own words "the plane that was shot down over Pennsylvania"
     
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    5. Initially the focus was on the phrase "pull it" used by the owner, Larry Silverstein, in a TV interview. But in fact he was talking about pulling firefighters back. (Demolition experts do not use the term "pull it" as slang for setting off explosives.)

    Nice try, but they do infact use is it as a term for bringing a building down.

    A three-year investigation by the National Institute of Standards and Technology concluded that the building collapsed because of uncontrolled fires, started by the collapse of the nearby North Tower, and which burnt for seven hours.

    Interesting that the other WTC building, closer to the Towers, took infinitely more damage but structures remained standing.
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    The 3 closers buildings took the real hit, but still stood.

    Evidence of fires in WTC7
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    Building in Madrid that was still under constrcution, that did not collapse.

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    But I suppose, the BBC did report that the building fell 20 minutes before it actually did so maybe we should listen to the report they are giving us.
     
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  14. Medro

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    The highest temps recorded where less than 700C and most of the jet fuel was burned in the huge explosion on impact.

    - How do you know this?

    This must be an old post as the pancake theory was disproved and NIST have since come out with another theory

    - So what was the other theory?

    True, but evidence of explosive material has been found.

    - You must have missed this part. "Furthermore, there is an alternative explanation for the "thermitic material" the sceptical scientists found in the dust - it is just a type of primer paint. It's calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust (not necessarily in a large quantity). More extensive sampling of the dust has not found any evidence of thermite or explosives, says a report from the US Geological Survey and another from RJ Lee."

    I have yet to see clear evidence of a plane or evidence that people were identified by DNA. Numerous witnesses also never seen a plane.

    - So what did they see? What happened to the people on board that plane?

    Not really looked into this particular event but Cheney did say in his own words "the plane that was shot down over Pennsylvania"

    - The biggest conspiracy in the world and some fella has just went and ruined it all with this gaff!
     
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    I don't know how you and Dev do it Meds. The guy is nuts.
     
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    Primer paint? <laugh> I notice they fail to bring up the evidence of thermite was not the residue of the compund itself but also what it did to the steel. Im not sure of any primer paints that include tiny previously molten balls of steel that were found in the dust
     
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    Some interviews conducted by Firehouse Magazine from Firemen who were actually at the scene during the fire at WTC7.

    Captain Chris Boyle
    Engine 94 - 18 years service

    Boyle: ...on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good.

    Firehouse: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
    Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.
    Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?
    Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered throughout there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably about a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. We lost touch with him. I never saw him again that day.
    Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did.

    The biggest decision we had to make was to clear the area and create a collapse zone around the severely damaged [WTC Building 7]. A number of fire officers and companies assessed the damage to the building. The appraisals indicated that the building's integrity was in serious doubt.

    Deputy Chief Peter Hayden
    Division 1 - 33 years service
    ...also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to collapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
    Firehouse: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
    Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
     
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  18. Medro

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    "It's calculated 1,200,000 tonnes of building materials were pulverised at the World Trade Center and most minerals are present in the dust"
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

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    Did planes fly into the WTC or was the footage faked?

    Who flew the planes if not the people named?

    If they were "Remote Controlled" planes and the planes were empty where did the victims families come from or were they part of the conspiracy?


    Never mind the technical details and minutae of the conspiracy, ask yourselves the obvious simple questions.
     
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  20. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

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    Still not explaining the existence of tiny rapidly melted and cooled balls of steel, something no massive collapse could produce
     
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