Agree with Rudey that the rhythm of rugby lends itself to video ref far more than football. Then, as you’ve mentioned, the football authorities seems to have no regard for the fee paying crowd whilst a decision is made. What is really staggering to me though is that they are going to burden the World Cup with it when it’s clear that they’ve not got it working properly. But then I do take football far too seriously
Football can learn from rugby in how the referee reviews the evidence. No need to have a screen by the side of the pitch..that is just silly.Let's hear the instructions and commentary for transparency. I m not advocating using it all the time but I would use it for reviewing whether the ball crossed the line and for every potential penalty decision. This would help to alleviate the diving and cheating. If players on the replay are caught cheating then they are booked..and sent off if necessary. This should also help officials with only awarding penalties when it is actually a penalty and not for the faintest of touches.
It can also learn from cricket and tennis. The captain, and only the captain, can refer a decision (up to 3 unsuccessful ones) and referrals are then checked out and a decision made. If the referral is successful the team doesn't have its referral allocation reduced.
Definitely agree Ron . I am a massive tennis fan and when they introduced the challenge rule it was met with scepticism but it was introduced and the fans now love it and it adds to the excitement of a game. It has worked with no real problems. Football are trying to make excuses and let's face it the level of cheating going on is astounding. I m sure they wont want to be caught out. It can be easily introduced they just need to define the criteria.
Yes. It's quite simple really, and fully tested. Lets face it, just watching the TV and the replays is hardly expensive and would sort out 90% of referrals. And if it is so difficult to make a decision having watched the replays then the referee decision stands.
all this talk of video reviewing , hearing the refs comments is only for armchair viewers , those who actuallly attend and are part of the drama it's a different experience totally , you're trying to inflict game show nonsense into a fast moving and dynamic game , i suppose if you want empty stadia and non engaged supporters that's one way of achieving it , also , at what level does all this stuff be mandatory, just tv games ?
I dont see why this only applies to arm chair sports fans. If you have been to Wimbledon to watch the tennis which I have even before they introduced the challenge rule.. they replay the point on the big screen. This does not take place on all the court's and does not seen to be a problem. Plus it really does add to the drama and tension of a game whether live or sat at home. I would introduce it for every dive in the box and goal line incident if its not clear and the side are claiming a goal. This should clear up things and help to stamp out cheating. If as you claim this will impact the free flowing game coaches can perhaps encourage their players to not dive etc which has to be a positive. In my view it's a win win situation. Put the replay on the big screen in the stadium and then the player will be truly embarrassed and humiliated by his dive and can also be yellow carded and sent off if he does it again. Simples... In my view the video ref also adds to the drama at rugby matches too. I don't see why you would be against it. The only argument against it is the free flowing nature of a game...I d like to see better discipline and sportsman like conduct please...
football is theatre , you're proposing to interfere with the unwritten script , the ebb and flow of a game , it may suit tennis where they break and sit down for a few minutes and it's two people or four engaged in very specific activity , footballl is so different , as for listening to refs ! , how would that be done in a stadium? as for diving etc , it's not as rife as people make out , referees seem to have coped for over a hundred plus years , the idea of forensic tv examination of contentious incidents will make for a disruptive and ultimately sanitising experience , be like stuck in traffic , a few moves then stop ......aaaggghhhh
They seem to cope in a stadium with rugby rudebwoy or cricket with multiple players..there is no good reason why football can not introduce it and it should be also seen as a good thing to help reduce the level of cheating going on in the game which you don't want to seem to acknowledge. Having watched football in the 70s, 80s and 90s there can be no doubt that the level of cheating has massively increased not to mention the 'faintest of touches and we must go down' to gain an unfair advantage which of course is cheating but now seen by some as acceptable. Thiswas never prevalent until quite recently and should not be part of the modern game as it is cheating.
rugby , a game of stop start built in , cricket , a game where half the players stand around and action is very procedural , why bring tennis in i don't know , not relevant , as for your cheating has increased massively assertion. rose tinted memories i suspect , i first went in 1970 to vicarage road , plenty of physical games , not a little skill occasionally, but the game has become more refined , players protected a lot more , levels of fitness have increased also , fundamentally though , eleven a side , a ball , some match officials and a crowd , how bringing in referrals of alleged misdeeds to video refs , will help the thrill and flow of the game is beyond my ken , the games where it works are ones with breaks in them all the time anyway . i now watch a more humble / honest level , non league , which will never be inflicted with such expensive and unnecessary devices .........
Fair enough rudebwoy I don't share your views but everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Too much money in the game now for me and to many foreigners stifling potential England talent...although I accept they have increased the skill level. Winning a European championship or world cup seems further away than ever these days!
aye , the genie is out the bottle regarding players from all continents , market forces and all that ! , truth is the british way has been superseded by attention to technique rather than physical force ......so yeah , the days of past glories are just that ......interesting that uruguay, with a small pool of players do consistently well over decades ?
I've said for years what let's England down as a national side is lack of passion and commitment from the players. It just doesn't mean as much to them being selected to play for England than it does to other players from other countries. With English players it's club football first and I get the impression that internationals are just an inconvenience to them.
If you picked your best 11 from the current premiership would any be English (or Scottish,Welsh, Irish)? Going back to VAR the problem football has with spectators is that they don’t show anything on the screens which is remotely controversial for fear of causing bother.
Interesting point that Smokey, underpinned by a couple I would add: 1. Too much money paid to footballers, this has eroded their sense of pride and duty; 2. A general loss of national pride in England caused by the liberal left and the EU proclaiming that anything to do with national pride is worthless and right wing "populism". Just that word drive me nuts with all it infers ............. When the Germans pull on their national shirt they do it with pride and a feeling of wanting to do something good for their country. I've no idea what Raheem Sterling (or any of the others for that matter) thinks about - the next tattoo?
Exactly mate. When you watch these major tournaments like the world cup and euros. You see the so called 'unfancied' teams, such as Wales last time or the likes of Iceland. Small countries, with a small pool of talent at their disposal but playing in these big tournaments for their country means everything to them. I've felt England have been lacking that for years. In saying that though I feel that with Southgates squad selection for this world cup showcasing plenty of youth, maybe, just maybe they'll have a bit of that passion and pride
Agreed - and we won't have that twat Joe Hart keeping goal I like the Spurs lads, they all seem to be very passionate and committed without alot of the superstar bullshit you see at other clubs
Depends what formation? If only one striker then no but if playing with two up top then you'd have Harry Kane in surely. Only Auguero that's a better forward in league in my opinion.
The golden generation - remember them? Lampard, Gerrard, Ferdinand, Scholes, the Neville sisters. A few months Sky did a program with them all and they said they couldn’t set their club rivalries aside when it came to international duty so never gelled and didn’t interact when on England duty. ****in scandalous admission to make frankly. I doubt the Germans or the Spanish have such problems. At that time we were investing millions in foreign managers (Eriksson and Capello) to bring us some foreign sophistication to our game. Turns out the problem was far less complex than that. Absolute ****wits the lot of them.
