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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Beef, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. PompeyLapras

    PompeyLapras Well-Known Member

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    Speaking from my own experience as a Portsmouth fan, Guy Whittingham, Andy Awford and Tony Adams between them are all really good arguments for not hiring someone who's never managed a club before.
     
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  2. Saintmagic

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    Yeah that is not at all like how it works in the real world, there are also far more varying factors in football that it is pointless to compare to the "real world".

    What would managing "at the bottom" (what is the bottom by the way?) teach someone about managing a PL team? They are worlds apart, so why shouldn't someone who has spent their entire playing career around a team like that be better suited than someone who has only managed in the 4th tier (as an example) and has no experience at all of a "big" club?
     
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  3. ----HistoryRepeating----

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    I think the Saints on here would have got my little joke.........
    (he was crap, I know)
     
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  4. PompeyLapras

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    It would teach them the specific skill set required for being a football manager in a less pressured environment because it's very different from being a player, it would give them a deeper insight into football as a whole which would develop their understanding, tactical awareness and man management skills, it would show that they've earned their appointment of manager on merit, based on their managerial credentials alone rather than because they happened to have played in the Premier League. Anyway, I'm not saying teams should only appoint 4th division managers, but should appoint managers who 1) have managed before and 2) had some success (ideally). Likewise ex-players shouldn't expect to go straight into a top job but have to earn their right to manage a top job (and I re-itterate, playing and managing are totally different and therefore cannot be directly compared and being good at one doesn't make you inherently good at the other).
     
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  5. VocalMinority

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    You clearly don't remember when Ronald Koeman was Southampton manager. I do. And there's plenty of other examples of good players who were also good managers....

    His first managerial job was as assistant at Barcelona.

    Point is that you learn a lot at top clubs from top managers that give you a head start as a manager and why they often deserve to start higher up. Let's see how well he actually does before deciding if it was a bad decision or not.
     
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  6. ----HistoryRepeating----

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    Also, they attract better players, so clubs use this to their advantage.
     
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  7. Saintmagic

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    Again what managing some non league team would teach someone about managing a PL team is nothing. The brand of football is completely different so giving them a deeper insight and tactical awareness is bollocks as they would almost certainly play a completely different way higher up with better players and better pitches.

    I do actually agree with you to an extent, but more about the managers in the 4th tier being given more chances in like the Championship/League One rather than the same old names getting go after go at clubs. It is managers like that who I think should be longed off, not new managers coming into management who will (hopefully) have some fresh ideas.
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    And Zidane did it the right way too. He had one season at Real under Ancelotti, then managed the Real B team, then took over as first team manager. Won the Champions League 3 times in his 3 seasons. Best record ever? No, because the league this season was a disaster.
     
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  9. fatletiss

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    Wish he hadn’t just signed a new deal, unless he and Levy agreed to that so Spuds get more money from Madrid.

    #wishfulthinking
     
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  10. Saintmagic

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    Wouldn't get your hopes up mate, it's Curbs for Real
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace Forum Moderator

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    There’s a rumour going round that Ipswich aren’t happy with Jim Magilton, but I can’t find any odds for him going to Real.
     
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  12. BobbyD

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    dunno about that. Arguably Zidane has the best record over 3 season (2 and a half really)

    Realistically, he only got 2 full la liga seasons (taking over from an ailing rafa mid way through). 3CLs and 1 la liga. That tops Peps best of 2 La ligas and 2 Cls in 3 seasons imo
     
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  13. fatletiss

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    Neither of them have won the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy and they’ll never win that.
     
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  14. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Silva confirmed at Everton. #warchest
     
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  15. Le Tissier's Laces

    Le Tissier's Laces Well-Known Member

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    If Poch went to Real, would you wish him well?

    (I would, but then you know I love him).
     
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  16. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Probably but I'd still be surprised if they went for him.

    I'd rather see him at United tbh.
     
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  17. Le Tissier's Laces

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    There’s a rebuild job required there, and he’s a great rebuilder. If he is given time.
     
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  18. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    Real Madrid and time doesn't generally happen <laugh>
     
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  19. Le Tissier's Laces

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    Indeed not. Hence I tend to agree with you that it won't be him. It should be (if they had a long term vision - but they don't).
     
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  20. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    I don't know if you missed my edit but it's why id rather see him at United, could really build something there.
     
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