Im so pleased that Sean has done so well but he was never going to be our manager we wanted to bring a large number of better players on loan (that many did not understand English) ,So Zola was a big name that they would want to come and play for
I sometimes wonder Cologne whether you actually believe anything you write or just find something controversial to engender debate - which is fine if that is the case. First it is six years and you can hardly count Garcia or McKinley - one left through ill health and the other was effectively an interim. The ninth is down to Silva's dishonesty. Without those it would have been six managers in six years. I am amazed you tote the line all our detractors trumpet. Sean Dyche would never have fitted the Pozzo model. Jokanovic wanted more money that the Pozzos thought he was worth - I have left jobs for that reason in the past - if I value myself more then I go out and prove it. Flores season collapsed and there was a break clause. Most of us thought the decision to part company was sensible. I am not aware that the Pozzos struck a deal with any manager mid season unless you know otherwise. They waited until a break clause or end of contract to change. Mazz was useless The others who left did so for their own reasons and I am not sure how many Watford fans think the Pozzos have done much wrong.
Actually Leo, I'm not in the habit of writing things which I don't believe. You say that Dyche would not have fitted the Pozzo model - bearing in mind that he is probably the best of all those managers then you would have to question the Pozzo model. Is it appropriate to the Premiership ? When they bought Granada they installed a foreign manager - but subsequently Spanish ones. They, presumably, bought into the Pozzo model whereas most English managers wouldn't. In fact most great managers wouldn't which is probably where the problem lies. Jokanovic was the first manager since GT. to get us promoted automatically (ie. not via the play offs) - was that achievement not worth the recognition of a substantial pay rise ? Particularly considering how much it brought into the club. I want a real manager again - someone who can build a team over a period of time, and has some say in who comes to the club. Is there anything wrong with that ? Do you think that all the changes the team has experienced over the last 6 years has led to stability on the pitch ? Once Deeney has gone, who will be the next Watford legend ? The answer is that there won't be one because nobody will be with us for long enough.
Zola was in situ until December ‘13 which is less than 5 years ago by my maths... Love the way you just count the ones you feel like as well
Very few managers have a say on which players come and go nowadays it seems - which is why Conte has been moaning all season about lack of quality transfers for Chelsea. Also its fair to say the Pozzos aren't the only trigger happy owners in the Premier league - just that 4 in one season for various years was unusual which makes their record seem extreme. Dyche himself has admitted he wouldn't enjoy the way the Pozzos run their clubs..
The days of a manager running the club are gone GT said himself that he would not have done so well in the way the current clubs are run . How can anyone question the Pozzo model that they have run for over 30 years So people like the idea of running up big losses then the money runs out and BANG. Think of so many clubs that was big Portsmouth etc .The pozzo do not spend what we cannot afford but they spend extra on scouting .Cologne would like football to be paid for by taxes so the fans own the club ,But that would only work for big city clubs so it would reduce the size of the Premiership ,and after a short time the few would go and start a super league that would only benefit them . GT and EJ put the foundations in place but the Pozzo are building the club day by day year by year
The nine included Zola and as I said Pozzos have been here six years not five so don't just discount ones you feel like. I accepted nine in the six years they have been here. Zola was appointed when they took over - that was July 2012 - get it - six years? I gave good reasons why three went - illness, a temporary appointment stupidly made and Silva who only went because of Everton. Still arguing with you is not something I find interesting - you asked your question and were given the answer. You have not disagreed that Everton and Silva will pay for their stupidity. Everton are a nasty cheating little club living in the shadow of Liverpool and it seems to have embittered their fans - I suppose that is what thirty years of under achieving does. We are happy to over achieve our more humble background.
I wasn’t arguing with you, I was laughing at you. Note the difference. I have disagreed with you btw, but I’ve also said to one of your more congenial posters that we’ll wait and see how it pans out, if indeed the rumours of us wanting Silva are true. Your last paragraph is just the rant of an angry bloke on the internet, well done mate, not at all Gammon.
That sums you up. Gammon. How very urban of you. Still you cannot argue with my point that your club cheats and is a sorry shadow of Liverpool and have underachieved for decades can you? Glad you agree with me though that we will let it pan out with the lawyers - I have been saying that nearly from the start but you had to pretend it was not true.
There is validity in questioned whether a 'model' can be transferred from one country to another without adaptation Brian. You are right in thinking that my ideal model involves far closer links between a club and it's local community. How many people know of Watford because of it's football club ? In a sense it is what puts us on the map - which, many people in the town benefit from. In Germany football clubs are seen as 'Kulturgut' ie. as a cultural asset to a town in the same way as theatre would be. This does not necessarily mean fan ownership, although that would be the ideal. Actually the biggest clubs in England to be owned by their fans are Exeter City and Wycombe Wanderers - hardly big town clubs, and with a smaller support base (and catchment area) than our own. Motherwell are also fan owned. All sports clubs in Sweden are operated in this way. Germany has its ruling that 51% of the shares must be owned by the club, which prevents the sort of predatory capitalist ownership so common to England - this does not stop smaller clubs like Augsburg or Freiburg from breaking through. In Spain there are 6 fan owned clubs in La Liga - not just confined to Barca and Real, but also Deportivo La Coruna, Osasuna Pamplona and a few others. I sometimes wonder if many of the top English clubs actually qualify under the legal description of 'clubs'.
OK - you seem more and more though to criticise Watford so perhaps the Pozzo model just does not suit you. For me the change from the end of the Bazz era to now is just phenomenally good and any small doubt about the managerial model is insignificant. Players nowadays are just mercenaries - why should managers be any different? They come, they go but the club lives on. the Pozzo style of changing managers appears very much in the continental style and I have no issue with it.
I could, but I won’t, as you’re a belligerent bore mate, and I respect this board as most of the posters are sound.
Nope - that is you. I gave up on trying reasonable dialogue with you ages ago when you showed you do not understand facts. I was trying to help you for ages but you kept denying the truth until I got frustrated. Your fellow moaners on the Everton board are just the same. You all really cannot believe that a small club like Watford can dare challenge your wrongdoing. Everton - admitted guilt for tapping up our manager. Silva sacked for breach of contract. Simples
Leo, he was sacked because of poor performances on the pitch - had it been as you say it would have happened earlier.
Quite rightly we do not know what happened between Silva, Duxberry and Pozzo in the privacy of the boardroom. We are purely speculating about the situation going by the few snippets that we have read in the press, and they may or maybe not correct. We do know from the FA that a complaint was lodged with them, but even the details of that are not certain. No dates were given, so we cannot assume anything without seeing the details, and it is certain that we will not be given the paperwork. It has been suggested in some quarters that we are still paying him. If that were true then the club would still have a say over his future. Other reports suggest that Everton made four bids to try and prise him away while he was under contract. That has to be illegal. Unless clubs abide by the rules we will have chaos. I think that there is some merit in saying that managers/coaches can only leave clubs, either because of their wishes or the club is unhappy with them, during the transfer window. The problem with this model is that a manager just like a player could wait knowing there is a time three months ahead when he can go and club owners could let it be known that there will shortly be a change. On a different point though we should remember that Silva has not to date proved himself, although some think he had won just about every cup and league.
Poor performances on the pitch were a reflection of his "switching off" and no longer managing the team properly. What makes you say it would have happened earlier - it takes time to assess - he was given plenty. He breached his contract - as demonstrated by our results.
I do not see what results have to do with this Leo. If he had breached his contract and then won every single match afterwards would that have made it any better ? You cannot know that someone has broken their contract and then wait to see how results go before sacking them.
You have this totally wrong Cologne. Everton were the party at fault for tapping. Watford did not know Silva had done a deal with them until that emerged later. That itself may have been insufficient to sack him - probably a written warning. However his dismissal came from the breach of contract by effectively giving up on managing the team. Employment law requires people to act in good faith. You cannot take money from your employer and then not do your job to the best of your abilities. That is what Silva did and when the evidence was sufficient - a long run with hardly any points it was enough to let them sack him and tell him to go to a tribunal if he felt it was unfair dismissal. To our knowledge he has not done that. The evidence of points per game before and after the tapping is quite dramatic. (I see you have got yourself a little fan who "likes" you since you persist in your recent trend of criticising the Pozzos. Are they just too wealthy for you?)
Leo, you cannot prove in a court of law that Silva 'gave up on the job' - so we are left with the fact that we sacked him as a result of poor results which equals compensation. For our case to stand we would have needed to sack him as soon as we new that he had had talks/dealings with them, and for that reason alone - instead we waited and that was a fatal mistake, at least as far as the law is concerned. The fact that someone is giving me 'likes' is neither my nore your concern - you sometimes got them from SH if you remember. You have yourself said to me that you are less identified with the club than in earlier times, and that the Watford which we knew has gone. Nobody is beyond criticism - I am gratefull that they have given us a 4 sided stadium, financial security etc. etc. On the face of it we have spent 3 seasons in the Premiership without once being in the relegation zone. On the minus side we have no 'team' any longer - when did we last have a manager who knew what his best starting eleven was ? I see a group of players thrown together for the season and a manager with language problems, very few of which even knew where Watford was before signing - and this year in year out. What I have done is to question whether the Pozzo model is right for the Premiership. It is true that I do not like the relationship between big money and football, and feel that this is better controlled in other countries - in short the Premiership is killing football. But that is a general criticism not one of the Pozzos in particular.
