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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Surely anybody that’s paid their dues, whatever their age, has every right to clog up the NHS?
     
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  2. Stroller

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    Yes, of course. This couple choose to pay £40k per annum so they don't have to rely on the NHS. That's their right too.
     
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    No, that's still the case. I was using 'tax' as a broad term to include NI.
     
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    I get the uk pension every month because of my NI I paid while working in the UK. There's no way I could live on that ar home if that was my sole income.
     
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    A Saville Row tailor will accomodate all but the hard left
     
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  8. kiwiqpr

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    Voters across the EU were asked: "What are the two top issues facing the #EU right now?" Take a look below... Source: YouGov April 2018

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  9. Goldhawk-Road

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    England is the most densely populated country in Europe with a massive 407 people per square kilometre.

    Next is Netherlands with 394.
     
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  10. colognehornet

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    England is not a country Goldie. The only statistic which is relevent in international comparison is that for the UK. England is part of a country just like Bavaria or Catalonia except Bavaria has it's own parliament and president. If you are going to break countries up into their constituent parts then the state in Europe with the highest population density is North Rhine Westphalia in Germany.
     
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  11. Goldhawk-Road

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    It may not be a country for EU purposes, but unlike Bavaria or Catalonia, England has its own laws (which it shares with Wales), just as Scotland has its own laws and indeed own parliament. They are kingdoms united by a shared political system (though now watered down by devolved powers)

    But if you live in England, with increasing strains on all services and roads so crowded that in London, it's quicker to walk than drive, the distinction doesn't matter. The fact that hardly anyone lives in the Scottish Highlands, which brings down the average, is irrelevant. English peoples' complaints about immigration are mostly focused on numbers, not personalities of those coming in.
     
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  12. colognehornet

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    There is no country in Europe which has an evenly distributed population Goldie. It is as if NRW were to say 'we have the highest population density in Europe' and use this as a reason for the whole of Germany to fence itself off. By the way the German states do have their own laws, as does Catalonia - in fact the German states can all sign international agreements, as long as these are not detremental to the Federal Republic. One of the biggest problems in the UK. is that there is no national registration system. When you move to Germany (or move house within it), you are required to register your place of residence at the local town hall. Nearly all payments in Germany are by direct bank transfer - so you must have a German bank account, a health insurance, and registration of your residence before taking a job there. All of this acts as a filter, because a certain command of the German language is necessary for all of these. The problem is that many people think that Britain is the easiest place to pick up semi legal, casual, cash in hand, work. Also there is the language - people move where they think they can be understood, and as long as English is a World language it will be a magnet for people regardless of it's economic success.
     
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    I take your point about uneven distribution, Cologne, but the problem is that most of England, not simply some parts of it, is crowded. London and the South-East, Southern counties, the South-west (roads seasonal), the Midlands (choked), and the North - there's probably a bit of space in Cumbria and Northumberland.

    Personally, I think Germany's national registration system is an excellent idea and I also believe in smart identity cards (which would also obviate the need for driving licence and hopefully passport) - but politicians here (mostly Tory) feel it would restrict personal freedoms
     
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    Goldie, why does your avatar keep changing from Steptoe to the old crest and back again?
     
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    That's very perceptive, Stan. I had problems with passwords from my tablet (Steptoe). For some technical reason, the Not606 system wouldn't recognise the tablet password on my pc. I sent a couple of emails to Site Help and never got a reply. So I registered on the pc separately.
     
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    chew as I say not as I chew
     
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    stop looking at the adverts
     
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    how big was he before austerity hit his food bills
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    Now, now, Kiwi! He’s clearly one of the poor and no doubt one of them what’s below the poverty line.
     
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  20. Uber_Hoop

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    England is not a country? What utter tosh. Just because it chose to enter a union with Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland makes it no less a country. It is only the supporters of the European Superstate that wish to divide Yerp up under different lines.
     
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