Here's how I see it the morning after. If were were going to get 4 points from these 2 games this is the way to do it If we had beaten Everton and drew with Swans we would be on 36, they would be on 34. They would then only need to beat Stoke to send us down. If we drew with Everton (we did) and win against the Swans (we will ), we would be on 36 and they would be on 33 with a vastly inferior GD. If we had won yesterday, and lost at Swans, we would be on 35 and they would be on 36...although it would have brought Huddersfield into the equation. The bottom line is that a point on Tuesday was never enough and we have always needed a win. This is what Sparky should be telling them anyway COYR PS - We should have a new rule that we ignore all posts from each other 5 minutes from the end of a game to 2 hours after, as we all feel the pain and react to each other. As I said yesterday Mrs No7 went mental at me for me repeatedly shouting at the top of my voice F**** and C**t with all the doors open and the neighbours in their gardens. I don't have Tourettes and don't normally behave like that at 7:30pm on a Saturday night. Let's cut each other some slack and march on together.
Nearly with you Tobes, but 2 of the subs were at half time, so you can't really add a minute there. However, my gripe isn't with the time it is with Moss for giving a foul against Redmond and then letting it be taken in the wrong place so we were on the back foot. Bertrand & Yoshi's brain farts are just part of our game and why we are where we are.
Other results went our way. It should have been so much better, but out of the relegation zone, in our own hands, and playing like we mean it. I thought we were relegated weeks ago, so great to still have a decent chance with 2 games to go. One last push against Swansea could do it. Nice message from Bertrand...sure the rest of the team feel the same way. But still
I didn’t. There was 4 in the second half. Blaming a free kick at the opposite end of the pitch? Really? It was just bad luck tbf, your CB should maybe have not turned away from the ball though, as if he stands square on to that I doubt we score.
The best reaction to Jon Moss’s ineptitude I thought came from Graham Poll in the BT cupboard. He looked as though he simply couldn’t believe how a fellow referee could be so completely and consistently wrong. The time added on isn’t the issue for me, as Moss isn’t the one who decides the 4 minutes, and he allowed the extra for Cedric’s injury quite correctly. But the free kick against Redmond just wasn’t a foul! As Poll said, the assistant was literally 2 yards from Redmond and saw nothing wrong, whereas Moss was 20 yards away with Redmond the far side of the CB from him, and gives a foul which he couldn’t have seen even if there was one! Then, even worse, he lets Everton take a quick free kick 15 yards from where the alleged foul took place and turns his back on the whole thing, and we are struggling to get lined up to face the attack. Earlier on, Yoshida’s first yellow was hardly a foul, let alone a booking. Now we are without our most experienced CB for the most important match since we got back in the Prem. All in all, if we end up being relegated, it will be because Roger East at Watford and Jon Moss at Everton were both incompetent and blind. Those 4 points would see us already safe by some distance.
You’re at 3mins, not 4... so it’s reasonable just to add on a minute. Most refs would have added no more than 3 mins in that game, and the amount of times you see refs not adding on time for injuries in injury time or not the full amount. Zero consistency. We played Chelsea a few weeks back, Alonso injured Long who was down for 2 mins. Guess what, not even 1 min of injury time was added. Back to Moss, if he’s going to add on time for any small amount of time wasting, or ball not in play, there should of been nearer 10mins. But that’s right, no consistency, he picked and choose’s between the situations.
Except Redmond would have been one on one against Pickford and could have added a second goal. That’s why we’re angry about the free kick
There was 5 minutes of added time in your game against Chelsea. You’re looking for a scapegoat there was nothing wrong with the time added, look a bit closer to home if you want someone to blame.
BBC pundit and former England midfielder Frank Lampard on Match of the Day: "I understand Mark Hughes raging. Southampton worked incredibly hard, were organised and got themselves in front. "Nathan Redmond wins the ball cleanly and the referee gets it wrong. It's then two mistakes because the ball isn't played from where it should be. It gives Everton one last push. "Everton didn't really deserve anything from the game. Typically, when you're in the position Southampton are in, it takes a nasty deflection and it's one point instead of three.
First half, not second. We will have to agree to disagree. I think we’re both looking at in tinted glasses for our own clubs.
The time isn’t the issue. By the way, anyone who thinks Michael Keane should be playing for England is deluded. He was dire yesterday.
Yep and the fact that we stood off you and let you shoot. Bad luck as you say...we've had that all season, genuinely. NOTHING has gone our way at all. Still, We March on. EDIT: I also stand corrected, 2 subs at half time and 4 during the game. The time was right.
It really wont. Yes they were bad decisions but i am sure we have had the odd free kick/corner etc. which was given that we went on to benefit from. Its the 38 games of football that we have failed to gain enough points in. If we go down it is due to hiring an inept manager and leaving it too long to replace him. If hughes came in jan/feb we would be comfortably safe.
Still annoyed about that point for WBA....our comparative GD is so close. And does anyone think that Huddersfield won't get something against 3 good sides at the *** end of the season. Still must forget them...just beat Swansea and our match against City may be irrelevant. And perhaps all that missing luck will fly home to roost and we finish on a high. And Stoke will be up for the game against Swansea....sure they will want to finish on a high. Do I seem to be rambling? Good reason....I am. Brain is absolutely addled.
There was 5 minutes of added time in the second half of that game, it’s in the match reports..... I can understand the frustration, we were absolutely awful and deserved nothing from the game and the point makes bugger all difference to us. Never good losing a lead like that, especially in such a vital fixture, I feel your pain tbf. For the neutral it keeps the relegation scrap going to the last day, and makes it riveting, but hardly a consolation for Saints like.
I honestly can’t think of any refereeing decision this season which has directly affected the result of the match in our favour. Please correct me if I’m wrong with examples.
He’s had a mixed season, at times he’s been very good at others he looks like a rabbit in the headlights. The change to 3 at the back was suicidal by Allardyce.
I think we all get fed up with the total inconsistency of refereeing and things get magnified when they really count. With injury time refs seem to be a law unto themselves. An apparent invisible universal rule that seems to mean that first halves never get the same treatment as the second half. On some days refs seem to decide to maximise on injury time for subs, timewasting etc but on other days the same refs mysteriously use a totally different algorithm. Can’t remember which home game it was this year but I was stunned that in a game where there were loads of stoppages there was only 2 minutes injury time and he blew the ft whistle 15 seconds before that! We were never going to score in a million years that day but even so wtf?! And of course we hate it when pedantic refs retake kicks for rolling ball or not taken from correct place yet other times (ie yesterday) “fill your boots” take it from 10 yards in front of our 9th outfield player. It mattered yesterday. Yes Bertrand should have done anything different and you probably wouldn’t have scored that most fortuitous goal. But....officials... don’t give us the opportunity to whinge about these small details. Just get your act together and be consistent. We have Michael Oliver in the middle on Tuesday and I rate him but to have to look at the officials list for each game to assess possible impact on our chances cannot be a good thing for the game. I think Tobes that you can forgive us being a little raw after yesterday and to feel just a tad hard done by. But, I think you also know we haven’t given up and a small part of you will be willing us on so we can keep up the banter next year.
