Morning chaps just wanted to air my views on our current manager Steve Bruce. Since Steve came to the club I would think that everyone would agree that we have progressed with us finishing 13th in his first season at the club and 10th last season but how far can Brucie take us up the league? From time to time we hear Quinny talk about the ambition of the club and he would love a European night at the SoL but is Brucie a good enough manager to get us that far? I like Brucie but think 10th is about as high as he can take us, tactically he aint very good IMO there is never a plan B and has he seriously thought about his summer signings. Firstly he brings in Larsson who is known for his set pieces and his crossing and we play 2 midgets upfront. As I have already said Brucie has done a good job for us he has completely transformed our playing squad from when he came to now and with the article I done last night about his net spend he has spend nowt but it depends how much ambition the club have at the end of the day. In Ellis' eyes I think this is last chance saloon for Brucie as far as this season is concerned and even though I am in the Brucie in camp deep down with top quality managers like Quique Sanchez Flores and Rafa Benitez available who have both won European Cups as managers over the last few years maybe this should be Brucie's last season as our manager and get a manager of that caliber in who can kick us on even further. At the end of the day it comes down to how much ambition we have I want to see our club playing European football and consistantly finishing in the top 7.
Bruce, seems like a genuine fella, prob. good to go for a beer with, and able to bring in players that would have told us to **** off a few years ago. As a manager limited tactically and plan B is to persevere with plan A, plan C is to hoof it. He was what we need after Keane left, but not anymore. He's done his job by getting us stabalised and improved the squad. Time for a new face at the helm, end of this season will be the time for him to go imo.
think we could attract him aswell, he still lives in the country and wants to manage in the Premier League. Outside the top 6 us and them lot up the road must be the most attractive clubs for a manager surely. We have the fanbase, we have the right chairman and owner who would back there man and we are 2 or 3 next level players away from competing for a Europa League spot in my eyes. Look at his record 2 La Liga Titles 1 Europa League 1 Champions League 1 FA Cup 1 Community Shield 1 Super Cup 1 World Club Cup 1 Supercoppa Italiana
I simply disagree with you VS.Im my opinion Bruce is a Middle level manager,not the best, but better than a lot out there, and is a good match for sunderlands upper mid table ambitions...now thats my opinion! If Sunderland ambitions change well then we will have to try to attract a better quality of personnel...but at the moment he is probably the best we can get...but yet again that is my opinion and after all thats what we do on here exchange opinions...we do not argue in the literal sense of the word.....somebody usually dresses up an opinion with pseudo evidence and folk jump on a bandwagon and anyone who disagrees....well they are "not on the banwagon are they"...............can we agree to wait until the end of the season and see where we are......in my opinion that will be mid table and i take it (im assssssuming here) that will not be good enough for you.....for me at this stage i would be quite happy with tenth. I can remember that peter reid was also cluless...to some ....Ambitions are set by the owner and the board ( they never match the supporters do they)usually at start of season and funds made available.....i think upper mid table plus outside chance of cup or europa league would be the plan........any higher and short needed to supply more funds.. which he obviously is monitoring ...I think the failure to pay up for zoggie showes the limits of our ambitions this season...and you know how keen bruce was for him to come and apparently he wanted back to the north east.The case is that unlike fantasy football manager....Bruce cannot simply buy any player he wants.....getting a good left winger and striker and midfield playmaker is not that easy ....all the best proven ones are at the top clubs......and we are chasing the rest with about six other clubs punching at our level ...........and thats just in the premiership....who would be a manager? well 2 mill a year must be some sort of an attraction .
It amazes me that we are able to attract some quite big names to the club and we genuinely seem to have turned the corner in terms of our profile, yet on the pitch we lack plan B and a never say die attitude that we have seen in less well off times - it has to be because of the manager. Maybe there is no fear amongst the players anymore, I dont know. I like Brucie and really want him to do well, but some of the things he does really annoy me and stop me wanting to defend him, for example not taking the Brighton match seriously. That deserved more stick than losing the derby imo.
Yes failure to invest at the right time..then panic buying when miser bob let some funds loose...to say peter reid was not a good manager(which you imply)beggers belief...his performance towards the end of his time at sunderland just highlights that you need a complete package to succeed..that includes Money...owner..chairman. money ..manager... money ..players... money and most of all luck oh and i nearly forgot money. Isnt it amazing how a manager can be the bees knees one minute and then at some point become cluless how does that happen...have they suddenly had all their knowedge and skill removed by some nasty bogart or succubus..remember Peter taylor...sven.....dare i say keegan....keene peter reid...oh how fickle fandom can be
Bruce was on dodgy ground the minute he took this job on. I happen to agree with his appointment at the time as I saw him as step forward, football wise and the from the mis-use of club funds from keane. The fans were split with Bruce because of his mags loyalties. The thing now is, those who were on the fence are very vocal about getting Bruce out....the others..(and I include myself here) are just looking at his tactical nous...or lack of, and wonder if he has what it takes to take this club forward any further. For me, not playing a more attacking formation at home, not playing any strikers from the start at Brighton is unforgivable. But another reason I would like a change is..he is often quoted as saying he will only buy if a player is better than he already has...if this is the case, why has so many of these players started from the bench or not even played. We have a decent squad of players, I just don't see Bruce as the man to gel them together and make them a TEAM....and this comes from a supporter who was glad to see him come to the club and supported him through both capitulations in the last two seasons...for me, he now has to stand aside and let somebody else, better than him take us forward
Ok mate, here goes…………….. "ES has made (alleged) noises that an improvement is needed, again he's seen what we have and more besides and he thinks we should be doing better than we have been in the last 6-7 months. That's not an internet warriors opinion, that's the belief of the guy who owns the club". Firstly th ES thing that is taken from a bad journo article with no quotes........ Hence alleged mate. Secondly you apear to hint that he has assembled a reasonable to good squad....... I do, I seriously think we have brought in some cracking players here, Brown, O’shea, Sess, Gyan, Larrson, Catts, Thirdly you suggest he has limited game plan and tactical ability...how do you quantify that..do you really think he sends his players out without a game plan or a way of playing..i think you are wrong..does every team that gets beat have a manager with limited game plan an poor tacctical ability or is it simply that on the day the players on the day were outplayed or a lucky goal was scored.im afraid i a of the opinion that all the managers in the prem have a modecum of the qualities you desire it is simply down to the quality of the players and their fit in the team..its a game of eleven v eleven for 90 mins plus...... its not rocket science............we have a mid range squad ,a mid range manager but with some fans who think we should win every game.......we need some realism....and can i ask vauxs......who would you replace bruce with...let me guess...MON. or Roy Hodgson or is it that bloke from inter ....keep dreaming....but never wake up cos reality is a shi...r Watch the games mate, that’s all I can say. We’re set up to play one way, we get battered by the other team and the way we play never changes. We fall under the hammer and the fans can see the plan isn’t working, but things don’t change. Unless it’s to play hoof ball to the forwards who have ZERO chance of winning headers. (if this isn’t Bruce’s gameplan, then surely he’d tell the players to stop it, but he doesn’t) We go behind, we frequently get like for like subs, with little or no impact or we finish the game with 4 forwards on the pitch with no one to get the ball to them, we keep playing Richardson at left back though he’s fooking useless, but Bruce perseveres with him cos he’s to stubborn to admit he’s wrong. We have Larsson whose best position is on the right played on the left. Sess is our most creative midfielder and not a striker. That’s what I see mate, I see us playing 8 midfielders and 2 defenders in a cup game, I see the frustration from other fans. I see us have a squad that is very good IF we use them properly, I don’t think we are mate. BTW I don’t hink I’m dreaming. I’m a Sunderland fan mate, from experience I know we are not going to win every game, but we stand a better chance if we have a guy in charge that sets us up properly from kick off and is not to stubborn to make changes if things are not working.
all teams play hoof ball when under severe pressure. and i do watch the games i just disagree with you for example when we score( I know you need a long memory)and are holding on for a victory we tend to drop back which causes no end of problems...its not steve bruce doing this its the players themselves...........im bloody sure hes ranting but its how the game develops on the pitch and its not just sunderland......and please vaux.please answer my question who would you have as manager.........and that must be guided with who you think would come.........i await your musings
Every team defends near the 90 minute mark when they have a lead, but thats not my argument. We have very little (if any) tactical variation during a game, that really costs us mate. That's one of my biggest bones of contention with Bruce. That and the same soundbites every time he gives an interview after a defeat. 'I expect a reaction' 'We have to learn from the defeat' but we never do learn we just carry on in the same way. But enough of that discussion now, we have differing views and I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on it Who would I have as manager? Never even mused about it seriously. Would like Moyes to be fair, I've always rated him highly, but not really going to happen, as I think he'll go to Man U or one of the top 5 clubs when he's had enough of Everton. I believe that Mancinni wanted the job before we got Bruce, so a big name isn't out of the question. It's just more about timing when a manager leaves as to who is available and up for the job, also how much money the board is prepared to offer. The bigger a managers wage is the better calibre of manager we could get. A top manager could earn you more points per season than a mega money buy ever could.
I wouldn't want him mate, from what I've saw of his time with the bindippers, he had a habit of spending big money on very average players,
