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The 'Better Do It Now' Chinese GP Chat & Predictions

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by Big Ern, Apr 10, 2018.

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Poll closed Apr 14, 2018.
  1. Lewis Hamilton

    53.3%
  2. Seb Vettel

    40.0%
  3. Valtieri Bottas

    6.7%
  4. Danny Ricciardo

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  5. Kimi Raikonnen

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  6. Max Verstappen

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  7. Fernando Alonso

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  8. Pierre Gasly

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  9. Nico Hulkenberg

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  10. A N Other

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  1. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    It's a catch-22. Curb his aggressiveness and you end up with a tame racing driver (no, not that one!), but I also agree that he needs to be calmed down. Hopefully the team will take him to one side and give him the book of Murray Walker's top 100 phrases, which in it he will find 'to finish first, first you have to finish'.

    And then they can show a video of how Ricciardo overtakes, and then smack him around the head and tell him to do it the same way!
     
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  2. dhel

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    I think it is 9 points not 11.
     
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  3. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    It's not really the aggression that's the problem, it's the decision making that's the problem. It's that aspect that needs addressing.
     
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  4. dhel

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    And it's not just the decision making, it's the almost dont-care-ish attitude. He keeps saying he doesnt care what anybody thinks, he will drive the same again....well, he will get worse results if he continues. What they need to do is when he does things like that, wait until the race is over and send him to the back of the pack. So, even if he wins he is automatically placed last. Maybe that would curb his nonsense.
     
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  5. allsaintchris.

    allsaintchris. Well-Known Member

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    30 odd years ago they said the same about Senna when he felt he was untouchable at the start of his career.............
     
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  6. Smithers

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    Agree 100%, mistakes happen. He is wreckless at best and almost deliberate at worst. Maldonado, Grosjean and even Lewis (2011) came under more pressure than Max.
     
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  7. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    He's young and has time to fix his probs, but not while people like his dad, Helmut and Jack Horner make excuses for him and say he should carry one doing what he does. His decision making is appalling at times. I do think he genuinely knew he ****ed up today though, so maybe this is the turning point.
     
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  8. Justjazz

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    Well, let's hope so. It is the arrogance of youth but he needs to know he has to suppress the arrogance to become great. Horner can not keep saying he is young, we all know that but really this is his 4th season. It is a judgement thing. I also think his belief in the second half of last year, expecting Seb and Lewis not to tangle with him because they were in the championship race, seems to be carrying over to this season when the same rule does not apply.

    Great race today though (other than Max's role in it).
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Well I did keep it going.
     
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  10. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    If it makes you feel any better, I am winning, with 1 point.
     
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  11. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    Bottas got grief last race for not doing exactly what Max is getting **** for doing this week.
     
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  12. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Did we give him grief for not t-boning Vettel?
     
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  13. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    It's how it would've ended if he'd tried the move into turn 1 in Bahrain.
     
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  14. Julius Caesar

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    Well, it's a maturity issue, but it's worth noting that Vettel was the "crash kid" in his 4th season and 2011 was Lewis's 5th season.

    I don't really see the two problems as linked? Sure making penalties meaningless reduces the effect of inconsistent stewarding, but it just papers over the cracks, no?

    I'm by no means nostalgically wanting the good old days back (well except for the engines and the lack of halos). Want I want to see is penalties being rare, but meaningful, and for the driver's location on track and where he actually in race position to be one and the same thing. I don't have any problem with a drivers race being ruined if they ruin another's. Verstappen lost no positions net as a result of the penalty. The crash did impede his race, but nothing like the damage he did to Vettel's.

    I recall an incident last year where somebody overtook off track and then pulled out enough time to not get put back behind the guy he passed illegally. When that sort of thing is possible I think we have a problem.
     
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  15. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Blimey.... a high scoring one this year. Did Bando decide not to knobble the one?
     
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  16. Number 1 Jasper

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    I doubt his Father helps much either .
     
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  17. Number 1 Jasper

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    I was not aware of your first comment .interesting .
     
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  18. Number 1 Jasper

    Number 1 Jasper Well-Known Member

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    That’s because some see Bottas as being weak . I’m not one of them . He’s not the best , but he is worthy of that place at MB .

    I think his quiet manner goes against him in a big way , and I get the feeling he already knows he will not be there next year .

    I also think his wife is drop dead georgious!!!
     
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  19. Number 1 Jasper

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    I would have gotten away with it , if it wasn’t for that pesky Honey Badger.....
     
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  20. SgtBhaji

    SgtBhaji Well-Known Member

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    Bottas is a solid driver, He'd probably be extremely useful to Williams right now, but I just don''t see him anywhere near the same league as Hamilton, Vettel or Alonso. I think that 's why his seat is questioned.
     
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