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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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    47.9%
  2. Get out

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  1. ELLERS

    ELLERS Well-Known Member

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    bob I think you misinterpret what I said. I don't think I used the term 'he hates Jews', if I did please show me the post. Secondly, he does always seem to support Russia and over the years has mixed with many unsavory groups/characters. That is fact. I will not be running around for you. if you can prove me wrong then post it rather than giving your usual response of showing the proof.
     
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    By the way bob, Goldie gave you some good responses and you choose to ignore what he said...Funny that. It's also strange that you voted Tory but spend your time posting stuff on Boris (although it only took you 10 seconds <laugh>). For someone who voted Tory then slates them all the time makes me think...:1980_boogie_down: I post something on Barry Gardiner and his Brexit ****ocks quote and a report from a Tel Aviv Uni and you respond with 2 Boris stories? Funny that? You have shown your true colours and who you dislike. Maybe you should be less obvious in the future. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    It was a joke.

    The truth is exactly what I want, it is my agenda. If it were proven to me that actually everything you and boris and goldie and Teresa were saying was absolute and correct, I would hold my hands up and acknowledge that and admit that I a misguided. Honestly. Until then, and whilst so much is at stake, I will keep questioning. I'm far from alone in that.
     
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    Why let the truth get in the way of bullshit hey Boris. My mistake voting Tory and I live with it. I did respond to Goldy. The articles are like any others one can find in seconds on the web. No quotes or facts just others opinions and that's my point it's all propaganda to shame or discredit the opposition. What started with either a Boris lie or mistake had to be twisted against the opposition for having the sense to urge caution. Why oh why would common sense not prevail. Surely Boris could say hey I might have made a mistake or wires got crossed but no the bafoon attacks the opposition to take the heat and story away from him. It's ridiculous, condescnding, pompous, arrogant and distasteful. Wouldn' you agree?
     
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    The truth is out there Woody.:1980_boogie_down: Goldie pointed out yesterday that we may never get the truth because people will never say 'yes I lied' or "yes it was me that used the nerve agent". We just have to take educated guesses on the information at hand. As I said previously this crime is being turned into some sort of conspiracy theory when it shouldn't. It's not 9/11 or JFK.
     
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    Misinformation is a dangerous game though mate. Take Iraq as an example. Act on evidence. Now a conspiracy theory can take all shapes and forms. My colleague, a simple soul, stressed how obvious it was leading back to the Russians, too obvious for a man like Putin. Now I'm not saying I agree with him nor disagree bit until we get more facts than a deleted tweet then the case can' be closed.
     
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    This post has so many contradictions, it contradicts the contradictions. You use the words 'Common sense, and caution' yet you don't use it. You use the word 'Lie' referring to Boris yet can't bring yourself to say the same about Putin. You moan about people attacking Corbyn yet you spend all your time attacking Boris. You talk about
    'propaganda'....<doh> Did you really use that word?
    Your best line though has to be
    Have you not read any Russian responses? <laugh>
    I don't know what is worse this post or people who liked it? Bring back Sb! These posts have really hit rock bottom.
     
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    At last I agree! :emoticon-0148-yes: WMD's was a complete lie and many were fooled by Blair. However, at the time I said that Colin Powells presentation to the UN was 'Amateurish' and something didn't add up. We cannot compare that with the nerve agent attack in my opinion.
     
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    Lie or mistake were my words fella. You need to try comprehend that this is about Boris not Corbyn. Corbyn didn't tweet about PD then delete it then accuse Boris of being pro or anti russian. I don't know if Putin is lying. I've not read/seen his deleted tweets like I did with Boris. You're getting easily confused mate. IT'S NOT ABOUT CORBYN, IT'S ABOUT BORIS AND WHAT HE SAID THEN TRYING TO MOVE THE SPOTLIGHT OFF HIMSELF WITH PROPAGANDA. is that easier to understand.
     
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    Just read the words in capitals Ellers. Let it sink in. My confusion lies in the need to attack someone over a sensible statement to take the heat from your own error. I agree in caution does that automatically make me pro Russian??
     
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    Well you obviously don't agree in caution because you are blaming Boris or PD for lying when no evidence has come out. So far all Boris is guilty of is blaming Russia. It has not been proven right/wrong either way yet. When it does you can blame who you like. Personally, my money will be on Putin but you can back who you like.
     
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    So there wasnt a tweet which was deleted.He didn't say "some guy from PD" assured him. My mistake. Apologies I thought that's happened but if no evidence has come out yet as you say then thank God Boris is on the case pointing the finger as it's not like him to speak before he thinks.
     
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    Your problem is you think because he tweeted and deleted it meant he was lying to cover up some fantasy you seem to believe in. It could have been as simple as being told not to mention any information. You won't accept that because you are convinced in your own mind it must be a 'cover-up'. I read and also watched a top scientist who had connections with PD saying it was the Russians because of the Nerve agent type and the depositing of it. You seem unable to accept any evidence given by the British government and you have some sort of hatred for Boris. People have explained things to you but you never accept their comments and your insistent rhetoric has become boring.
    You stated that I said JC hates jews (see below) I cannot remember writing that so please show me and I will answer.
    Other than that fella I can't be bothered to listen to your waffle. You actually bring nothing to the debate other than Boris bashing.
     
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    1. I don't think anyone believes that except yourself mate

    2. There has been no evidence from the british government, just conjecture and because they say so. That's the whole point of this debate

    3. you might not have said he hates jews, but you have called him anti semitic i believe which is basically the same thing.

    4. he's bashing boris because hes the one in the limelight and he's used the classic whataboutery to deflect from himself.
     
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    Ha ha ha ha
     
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    eer no. bob said that 'I categorically stated that Corbyn hates Jews'. Which you then say is basically the same thing as being anti-semitic... No chance. Now let me explain to you... You cannot miss quote someone then blame Boris for same thing. <doh> jesus bring back Sb! This thread has really gone downhill.
    Now, I don't remember saying that Corbyn hates Jews. TBH It's is not what I would normally say, however, if bob can show me the post I can answer.
    Maybe you could 'Like' this post as well Bobby likes bob's posts <laugh>
     
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    Stop ha ha ha and show me this post.
     
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    if you're anti-semite then you pretty much hate jews.

    Anyway, if you haven't ever said corbyns an anti-semite then i apologise for lumping you in with that and i am wrong (this is how boris should have approached it, also i wasn't sure which is why i wrote i believe) as i'm pretty sure someone in here has said it before.

    Just had a quick check back and you have said corbyn has been accused of being anti-semitic so i have misintepreted what you have said.

    I'm glad it's on the the 1 point out of 5 you disagree with
     
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    As I said I don't remember saying it but would apologize if I did. :emoticon-0148-yes: I also agree with your comments re Boris but sadly Boris is Boris. He was probably told from someone high up that it was Russia and opened his mouth before he had the go ahead. Maybe in hindsight he should have held back but we don't know what other evidence they have.
     
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    Maybe I was too quick on this one Woody as Trumpton has tweeted
     
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