Off Topic The Politics Thread

Absolutely. Most of what the Intelligence agencies learn will never see the light of day.

 

Do you think that was russias intention (to shoot down a passenger plane)? I guess we should blame Cameron for arming the libyan who then became ISIS who have decided to kill lots of innocent muslims and good Samaritans like alan henning

 

Exactly, now when Bobs van got pinched 2 nights ago. If he gets on well with his neighbours and trusts them, the chances are it would probably not be them. However, the gypsies in the site about 10 miles away have in the past stolen vans. They also said they would steal the van. With the pegs found on the street and a new tarmac drive where the van was stolen...
Bob blames Boris and the Tories.

 

Who do you think poisoned Litvinenko, Bobby? Huge amount of evidence it was Russia. Putin has already created a law that allows extra-judicial killings of its citizens abroad. I strongly doubt that the US or Israel would ever use such nerve agents on the UK mainland, because if they did, and it was discovered, it would cause a deep crevasse between allies that would take decades to recover

 

My neighbour told me to be cautious before accusing the gypsies. I then accused him of being a gypsy lover and a hater of clean clothes

 

Do you know something about this theft Ellers?

 

There is no evidence that Cameron was giving the Libyan's ground to air missiles. Russia was arming the Ukraine terrorists covertly over Crimea. Russia did not intend for the plane to be hit, but it must have realised there was a danger if such serious weapons were given to rebels unsupervised.

 

Now that is a very good question Goldy. I can think it might be someone but until I have evidence then I can't go accusing them without consequences

 

Why am I winding him up. I'm genuinely intrigued as to where these facts are to be found. Surely they should be easy to locate but I can't find them anywhere. Bizarre

 

Haven't followed the case (was a bit young) but consensus was it's the Russians. Having had what 8 years passed im happy with the narrative that is was them. He wasn't poisoned with novichok though

 

No, but I can honestly say I don't think it was Putin...however he had the two poisoned in Salisbury. Anyone who thinks he didn't really need to read up on Putin and Russia.

 

If you insist on video or DNA evidence in respect of these killings, then you simply play into Russia's hands and they will increase their activities. As said above, Russia is open about one thing - its right to liquidate their citizens in other countries. The international community know what they're up to.

 

I think it was most likely Russia, they have a history of stealing skateboards.

 

No Cameron gave them guns instead. That alone allows people to seize power. Hell we are probably arming the Syrian rebels now whom some are affiliated with isis

As for the ukrainians "terrorists", they are as much terrorists as the current Syrian "rebels". I understand why our media give these names though.

I love living in the west and I love our values and freedom of speech but I'm not going to pretend our government or any western government don't try to pull the wool over our eyes in the interests of our own country even if what they are doing isn't procedurally correct

 

Goldie answered the first part now have a read of this.

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/e...ot-condemning-Russia-poisoning-Sergei-Skripal

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...urious-sailsbury-sergei-skripal-a8255731.html

 

The point I'm making is that if Cameron gave untrained rebels missiles that could bring down a passenger plane at 33000 feet, and subsequently they shot down a Russian passenger plane, then the UK would rightly be castigated

 

Amazing Panorama program from the BBC Taking on Putin where reporter John Sweeney went over to Russia to check out the election. Funnily the nearest opposition leader was murdered. One was beaten up and nearly blinded and the other warned off. Sweeney was followed/harassed and then arrested on some stitch up. The Russian news tried to report that he was interviewing some unsavoury people which could endanger his life.
All roads lead to Putin.
Really does amazes me how people cannot put 2 and 2 together.

 

The express story is appalling. I'll maybe read the other one later if I remember.

 

Had a read. Doesn't tell me anything I don't already know. Corbyn tried caution and keep the dialogue routes open. May just said it's them. Clutching at straws there mate

 

Still waiting for facts and evidence not newspaper reports. Prove to me that when you accuse Corbyn of hating Jews and being pro Russian etc that you can back that up. Then I may think like you