Off Topic The Politics Thread

[BobbyD]

Tell that to the victims families.

Protection? What they then stab someone to death. Sorry that is rubbish. knives are carried for a reason and that is to stab someone or to threaten with.

How many people do you reckon carry knives and how many people do you think get stabbed. I'm guessing the ratios are far higher than the 20000 knife crimes that we get in the whole of the UK a year (I'm guessing this includes domestic abuse cases etc)

Anyway you are getting to emotive rollers I'm not condoning people carrying knives (except when they have bought them from the shops for home use) and certainly not using them but if 4 years just for carrying them doesn't seem to be a deterrent, what makes you think ten years would be.

Lastly we don't have the prison space I would much rather people who actually used knives, murdered people, raped people went to prison and stayed there than people carrying knives

 

[kiwiqpr]

do people caught carrying knives actually get 4 years

 

[bobmid]

flip side is uneducated people making decisions they don't understand. I don't get the educated v real World argument. Are you saying just because you are educated you don't understand the real World? silly comment.

I'm using your quote on Boris Ellers. When do you think he last waited over 5 months for an operation on the nhs. Or struggled to pay the rent/mortgage on time. Had enough food in the cupboards to last the week? Told the kids they can't go to the match Saturday cos we can't afford it. Etc etc. That's the real world as we live my friend not silver spoon education. Granted it's not his fault but he certainly has no understanding of it like most. Common sense has to prevail. Knowing the difference between right and wrong, fair and unfair. Don't need degrees for that....just common sense which that lying clown has none of.

 

[bobmid]

I think all of the above are relevant factors and are worthy of analysis. Ultimately though, it seems fair to conclude that a social and economic set up that significantly favours the rich minority, whilst continually disappointing the poor is destined to fail. I don't think we should be surprised by negative social behaviour. This is not an inclusive system.

I don't think drug taking should be seen as a crime. It's simply not. The methods of getting hold of it might involve crime, but taking drugs isn't. Just like drinking alcohol isn't. Approach drugs differently immediately.

It's easy to talk about needing better education, but what does that really mean? Do we just need more schools and more teachers, paid the same **** money to teach the same old subjects, or do we need to consider a more drastic adaptation of our education system to our changing world?

My 13 year old daughter is on the verge of choosing GCSE subjects. If she chooses triple science, she'll have to drop 2 of either art, drama or music. Why??? She wants to carry on with all of it. It's nonsense. Aged 13, she has to not only start making life choices, but also to start closing doors to things she loves. Let that sink in for a moment.

Kids are measured on their ability to learn endless facts, with future learning prospects dependent on that ability. The ones who take to this system generally receive more focus than the ones who don't.

There is no time in the syllabus to abandon the things that must be learned in favour of spending an entire day debating the world, the country, current affairs, community issues etc.

How many kids need to know the periodic table? The difference between nimbus and stratus clouds? Are these amoungst the most important lessons for teenagers?

A long term vision doesn't include ramping up police numbers and harsh penalties for social rebellion, it includes a levelling process, a move toward equality, development of opportunities for everyone, the dealing with local problems through local community, as opposed to a blame culture toward government.

My son is choosing his options aswell and it's ridiculous. The school offered him 2 paths neither had a language option. (He wanted to do spanish) instead they offer gcse in food prep etc. I couldn't believe it. So much so that we have decided to home school him. Maths and English tutors for 2 hours a week and the rest following certain syllabus provided by the education authority.

 

[bobmid]

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Brilliant

 

[BobbyD]

do people caught carrying knives actually get 4 years

I dunno but people who stab people or rape people or murder people don't necessarily get that many years. Just look at that Oxford student girl who stabbed her ex bf in the leg.

There's a law but for whatever reason our country doesn't implement sentences well (or maybe we do the time for rehab rather than time as punishment).

 

[Steelmonkey]

My son is choosing his options aswell and it's ridiculous. The school offered him 2 paths neither had a language option. (He wanted to do spanish) instead they offer gcse in food prep etc. I couldn't believe it. So much so that we have decided to home school him. Maths and English tutors for 2 hours a week and the rest following certain syllabus provided by the education authority.

My 15 yo son is.just about to sit his Nat 5 exams (same as O Levels/GCSEs) but has already had to choose his subjects for highers for next year before even knowing the results of these exams. And he is already having to drop some subjects that he excells in because they don't fit into the proposed timetable, which I find grossly unfair. Thankfully he has managed to retain the subjects he requires for the university course he wishes to do, and of course, no tuition fees up here either!

The education system up here is devolved and is run from Holyrood, and whilst his school is one of the best in my area, it still suffers from funding issues. The school runs regular fund raisers as they are desperate for cash to buy equipment (especially the music department where my son is one of the top in his peer group).

Spending money on education is almost as important IMO as NHS. We need to educate our youth to give them any chance in the real world, as it is becoming so cut-throat. A good grounding in school life can also help towards reducing the high levels of knife and drug crime.

 

[ELLERS]

I'm using your quote on Boris Ellers. When do you think he last waited over 5 months for an operation on the nhs. Or struggled to pay the rent/mortgage on time. Had enough food in the cupboards to last the week? Told the kids they can't go to the match Saturday cos we can't afford it. Etc etc. That's the real world as we live my friend not silver spoon education. Granted it's not his fault but he certainly has no understanding of it like most. Common sense has to prevail. Knowing the difference between right and wrong, fair and unfair. Don't need degrees for that....just common sense which that lying clown has none of.

You are confusing yourself between education and money. We are talking education and the comment of a 'real world'.
A good example is I have a friend who is not well educated but has been lucky with his work. He has private medical, goes on holidays and has a nice house. I also have a friend who is extremely well educated who lives in a small flat, uses the NHS and has struggled. Who is in the 'Real World'?
This term the 'Real World' is Bulls22t. We all have our own real Worlds and adapt to circumstances.

 

[bobmid]

My 15 yo son is.just about to sit his Nat 5 exams (same as O Levels/GCSEs) but has already had to choose his subjects for highers for next year before even knowing the results of these exams. And he is already having to drop some subjects that he excells in because they don't fit into the proposed timetable, which I find grossly unfair. Thankfully he has managed to retain the subjects he requires for the university course he wishes to do, and of course, no tuition fees up here either!

The education system up here is devolved and is run from Holyrood, and whilst his school is one of the best in my area, it still suffers from funding issues. The school runs regular fund raisers as they are desperate for cash to buy equipment (especially the music department where my son is one of the top in his peer group).

Spending money on education is almost as important IMO as NHS. We need to educate our youth to give them any chance in the real world, as it is becoming so cut-throat. A good grounding in school life can also help towards reducing the high levels of knife and drug crime.

At the moment my lad goes to one of the best local schools around. It's a Catholic school but the whole damn set ups of school has totally devolved. Kids aren't scared of punishment anymore instead wearing it as a badge of honour. We recently had a letter about our lads attendance falling near %90. I wrote back asking for the attendance percentage of his maths teacher as all he ever has is a supply one. School isn't for every kid, education is important but more so is the correct type of education.

 

[bobmid]

You are confusing yourself between education and money. We are talking education and the comment of a 'real world'.
A good example is I have a friend who is not well educated but has been lucky with his work. He has private medical, goes on holidays and has a nice house. I also have a friend who is extremely well educated who lives in a small flat, uses the NHS and has struggled. Who is in the 'Real World'?
This term the 'Real World' is Bulls22t. We all have our own real Worlds and adapt to circumstances.

Nope I'm using YOUR quote on Boris ellers. Not talking about your mates as they don't effect mine or many others lives. This is where you get a tad mixed up. Focus on the ones that matter to us as it is now ie Theresa, Boris and co not JC, Abbott or your pals

 

[bobmid]

Nope I'm using YOUR quote on Boris ellers. Not talking about your mates as they don't effect mine or many others lives. This is where you get a tad mixed up. Focus on the ones that matter to us as it is now ie Theresa, Boris and co not JC, Abbott or your pals

An example of this is the whole Boris saga with the Russian poisonings. Rather than scrutinise Boris or be open to the suggestion he could be a lying little toad, you instead focus on Jeremy Corbyn for saying we should act with caution. I seriously don't understand the logic. Not having a dig mate but more lacking in understanding of a person's thought process.

 

[ELLERS]

Nope I'm using YOUR quote on Boris ellers. Not talking about your mates as they don't effect mine or many others lives. This is where you get a tad mixed up. Focus on the ones that matter to us as it is now ie Theresa, Boris and co not JC, Abbott or your pals

Okay then we will talk about that. It's called prevention. The reason we moan about JC and DA is that they are the alternative to the existing government. Do we really want them running our country? Agree TM and BJ have probably made a few mistakes but as far as things are going our country is not in bad shape. Would we want to risk everything on a woman who clearly isn't very good at maths or a leader who supports everything other than his own? Sorry but read your history. Plenty of times a person called Hitler could have been stopped but wasn't. Now I am not saying they would ever be like that but they would ruin this country if they ever got in (god forbid). Fortunately Corbyn and Abbott have ruined any chance they had.

 

[ELLERS]

As for Boris maybe he did speak too soon or say too much because Boris is Boris but it doesn't answer the most important questions which is 'Who could do it', 'Who has the means" and 'why'. Sorry but all roads lead to Moscow just like the chemical attacks in Syria. Really interesting bloke on CNN yesterday discussing the Syria thing saying that only one country has the 'means' to have done that and that is Russia. Funnily like with Salisbury they are denying it and blaming the West.
It's not rocket science, it's not Cludo it's quite easy to guess the murderer. Fair play to Boris for sticking up for this little Island and it's people unlike that lefty loving Corbyn.

 

[bobmid]

Okay then we will talk about that. It's called prevention. The reason we moan about JC and DA is that they are the alternative to the existing government. Do we really want them running our country? Agree TM and BJ have probably made a few mistakes but as far as things are going our country is not in bad shape. Would we want to risk everything on a woman who clearly isn't very good at maths or a leader who supports everything other than his own? Sorry but read your history. Plenty of times a person called Hitler could have been stopped but wasn't. Now I am not saying they would ever be like that but they would ruin this country if they ever got in (god forbid). Fortunately Corbyn and Abbott have ruined any chance they had.

The Hitler reference is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on here!

 

[BobbyD]

As for Boris maybe he did speak too soon or say too much because Boris is Boris but it doesn't answer the most important questions which is 'Who could do it', 'Who has the means" and 'why'. Sorry but all roads lead to Moscow just like the chemical attacks in Syria. Really interesting bloke on CNN yesterday discussing the Syria thing saying that only one country has the 'means' to have done that and that is Russia. Funnily like with Salisbury they are denying it and blaming the West.
It's not rocket science, it's not Cludo it's quite easy to guess the murderer. Fair play to Boris for sticking up for this little Island and it's people unlike that lefty loving Corbyn.

yeah i think its time to unleash trident on moscow. We've spent the 40 billion might as well make use of it

Good of you to acknowledge that boris has lied and made a faux pas

 

[bobmid]

As for Boris maybe he did speak too soon or say too much because Boris is Boris but it doesn't answer the most important questions which is 'Who could do it', 'Who has the means" and 'why'. Sorry but all roads lead to Moscow just like the chemical attacks in Syria. Really interesting bloke on CNN yesterday discussing the Syria thing saying that only one country has the 'means' to have done that and that is Russia. Funnily like with Salisbury they are denying it and blaming the West.
It's not rocket science, it's not Cludo it's quite easy to guess the murderer. Fair play to Boris for sticking up for this little Island and it's people unlike that lefty loving Corbyn.

Sound investigatory skills Ellers. Let's scrap the justice system and just guess from now on

 

[bobmid]

Like I say common sense has to prevail.
Fair play for Boris for sticking up for this tiny island..........by accusing another country of a crime with no concrete evidence!! Oh and that horrible Corbyn bloke for even daring to suggest caution. Now I've said before, I'm not a Corbyn supporter, he is irrelevant to me as he's not prime minister. He would become relevant if he was. Come on Ellers you've got to see how silly your statement sounds.

 

[ELLERS]

. Come on Ellers you've got to see how silly your statement sounds.

I think you really have no idea about what you are talking about. You grab one bit of my response and blow it out of the water you then don't answer anything other than 'come on Ellers blah blah blah'. Sadly bob, you seem to be doing everything you can to support Corbyn while knocking the government then say you are 'not a Corbyn supporter'? You say you won't 'accuse' someone without proof but you do with Boris? You contradict yourself too much. Listen bob I don't care if you don't like the Tories and love Corbyn but please be reasonable to the facts.
Put it this way, you are backing a losing horse if you think Putin/Russia had nothing to do with this.
As for Corbyn his comments basically supporting Russia embarrassed his party. He shot himself in the foot. His own backbenchers were cringing as he was speaking (that's not the press that's a fact). The bloke is a lefty from an era that has all but gone. His views are outdated and he is clueless with policy. he changes his mind from week to week. Business never wants him near No10 and the Jewish community dislike him as well. The bloke reminds me of Micheal Foot...unelectable.

 

[ELLERS]

yeah i think its time to unleash trident on moscow. We've spent the 40 billion might as well make use of it

Good of you to acknowledge that boris has lied and made a faux pas

I never said 'Boris has lied'. Please don't quote incorrectly.
More ways to fight than Trident. We can beat Putin financially, which by the way is already happening with the help from the US.

 

[BobbyD]

I never said 'Boris has lied'. Please don't quote incorrectly.

sorry my bad, you said say too much/speak too soon and i made assumptions.

Anyway, its a fact that either boris misinterpreted at best or lied at work OR the chief executive of porton down has misinterpreted at best or lied at worst.