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  1. Angry_Physics

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    British Gov official line on Skripal assassination :D
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    of course. the moment may stood up and gave it large she set the whole thing in motion. if you really thought it you ring up Putin and tell him to evacuate whatever facility as a cruise missile is going to hit it.

    UK response has been to western states to rally round not to russia.
     
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    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Never seen her. She doesn't carry a whip... :bandit:
     
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    MSNBC are actually discussing Trump barricading himself in the White House surrounded by secret services, refusing to come out to federal marshals <laugh>

    US media.. it's surreal. Completely unhinged! <yikes>
    CNN spent 15 minutes in an interview with someone claiming Trump is going to wipe out humanity because he has a small penis <laugh>

    I truly pity Americans information wise, that media.. **** me!
     
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    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    There won't be war. Silly to think there would be. Neither side wants war.

    Russia's advantage would be
    In a short term war...
    Or if nuclear weapons involved...
    Or if no allies join in.

    Russia is better poised for a quick and immediate fight than probably anyone. No question they have more nukes than anyone else.

    They lack the fiscal ability or manufacturing ability to wage a long term conventional war against the European Union (Britain couldn't go it alone). Without nukes though they're little more than a regional power. They're strong in a short term immediate war and could probably take a chunk of Eastern Europe before being stopped... But they are not capable of sustaining a long war and the EU even without American help would eventually turn back Russia in a non-nuclear exchange.


    All theoretical though because there will not be a war in our lifetime between Russia and West. Russia is a shadow of what it was though. Without nukes they wouldn't be a global worry.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    huh..... realy? theyve sunk that low on the 24 hour news cycle now? nutters
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    milk... what do you think the eu is?

    theres nothing there to stop anyone.

    russia is more than a regional power still.
     
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    " No question they have more nukes than anyone else." < LOL
    Russia only has 200 more warheads lol and the US has them all over the planet. lol
    US 6800
    Russia 7000

    Like that makes a difference <laugh>

    The US will only get involved in a war for self interest, doesn't give a **** about Britain, if for some reason it served to not get involved (Trump works for Putin after all :D) Russia would flatten the entire EU in a conventional war. Soft Europeans could not fight a war like that, ****ing hell no, they would sooner turn on their own governments to end it, fact
     
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    Watch and weep <laugh>
    **** that wasn't it hold on
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i dont think there's a single.serious army in the whole eu.

    UK has been down sizing.
    Germans are... well... untested shall we say. that big tank of theirs might be good. leopard? anyway... the russians imo would roll over eu in weeks

    i.dont think the Russians could sustain the.campaign as milk says but they'd be well able.to beat anyone.. they would need a couple years to gear up for such a campaign.
     
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    Both segments in this video, the White House down segment and the CNN segment <laugh>


    Correction, both segments are MSNBC
     
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    I note the Iranian refugee gun woman at youtube story lasted 5 minutes in the news cycle. If she was a white male <whistle>
     
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    Unlike our nations including the US, who would clamour for an end to it due to the huge elements of liberal types, and would not want to fight, Russia's entire population would fight.

    Even me, I'd nail my own politicians to the door before I'd allow them to start a war with Russia lol
    I ain't fighting someone elses war, neither will my kids, I'd shoot a politician in the head first.
     
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    Ignoring nukes...

    Russia has less than 800k troops compared to 1mil if you combine England, France, Germany, Spain And Italy.... thats not including all thr smaller countries...Combine that with the fact that Russia would have to fight an offensive fight to have any advantage (they don't have budget or manufacturing capability to deal with a long term war). An offensive war is more costly and difficult than a defensive war.

    Russia spends less on the military than the UK alone and has a lot of aging equipment. That's despite Russia having a higher spend per GDP, they're just not economically very strong.


    Russia has their assets closer to hand along the border with East Europe. They would be able to take most of Eastern Europe before being stopped but would eventually lose out....

    ... That's even without the US.



    Now nukes are a different story. Neither UK nor France can come close to matching Russia.

    Russia is more powerful than the UK, but any war would certainly involve most of Europe and Russia isn't capable of taking on all of Europe. They already spend a higher % of GDP on military spending than Europe and are already behind. In any extended conflict Europe would be able to produce much more munitions, vehicles and warheads.
     
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    I cant speak for Russia I can only speak for our own side of this crapshoot. It's us who are pushing this cold war MKII ****, that is just a fact. ffs
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    ok so...

    fair enough until

    a) france - on strike
    b) italy... yeah thats always gone well.

    you are takling about 800k russians in one unit v independent states who dont get along all that well or work well despite the bravado.

    in reality its russia v germany first and foremost.

    if it were war tomorrow russia would plough under the europeans as the tooling up you are talking about would take years
     
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    There won't be war and there won't even be a cold war. Neither side wants one. Trump is stupid enough to try to provoke one but there are other political powers in the US that can mitigate his stupidity
     
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    Trump just said we wants to take the Troops out of Syria.. I hope he does. I think enough Americans and Syrians have died for Halliburton and the Neocons :(

    I see the Israelis just cruise missled the last Christian Bastian in the Middle east, in Syria. :(
     
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    Russia's tactic would be as quick a conflict as possible for that reason, but they don't have the manpower to conquer Europe that quickly. You're right German would be the wall the real challenge to stop and slow them. The further west they move the more difficult it gets.

    If they took over Eastern Europe simply the statistics of trying to hold that with 800k to maintain supply lines would be a nightmare. They would need to increase their soldier base which would take time... But they can't take time because the longer they spend Europe would ratchet their defences up even quicker.


    Russia doesn't have the troops to ready occupy Eastern Europe and continue to push West against countries like Germany. That's why it would take time.

    The other option would be to bypass the East and go straight for German, Britain and France... But Europe has much stronger navy than Russia and supply lines would.have to go through around hostile territory they don't control.
     
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    Stormy Daniels is getting the CNN treatment

    Well this is from a court and the media.. meh :D Obama smoked crack, and smoked pole too.
    You know Michelle has a cock right?

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    But Trump is a liar <laugh>
     
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