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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

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The problem with Boris is he's lazy and doesn't want to bother with detail, which is disconcerting when he's Foreign Secretary. He does have a certain charisma which can win foreign friends, but basically he needs a minder to whack him on the back of his head and correct him each time he "mispeaks"
 
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Goldhawk-Road said:
The problem with Boris is he's lazy and doesn't want to bother with detail, which is disconcerting when he's Foreign Secretary. He does have a certain charisma which can win foreign friends, but basically he needs a minder to whack him on the back of his head and correct him each time he "mispeaks"
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It's not detail that he has a problem with, Goldie. It's facts.
 
Stroller said:
He lied about Porton Down. No speculation. Whatever the final outcome, Johnson said that he had been told by Porton Down that they could categorically trace the nerve agent to Russia. They couldn't and wouldn't. He lied.
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mmmm. I heard a bloke from PD saying on Sky news that it was from Russia. Boris was briefed and reported his findings. Since then many countries have discussed the situation and have backed the UK.
I think the problem is that Russia has covered their tracks quite well and the investigation is finding it hard to pinpoint. Most of the experts know it's Russia and will prove it. Sadly some will still not believe our government even if the evidence proves Russia did it.
I bet people will be supporting Russia on the latest chemical attack in Syria and I am sure we will get the usual culprits blaming the Tories or even Boris.
It's Just a shame that some people were very quick to defend Putin and Russia but when the shoes on the other foot they think Boris is guilty of lying without evidence. I guess they have their agenda.
 
ELLERS said:
mmmm. I heard a bloke from PD saying on Sky news that it was from Russia. Boris was briefed and reported his findings. Since then many countries have discussed the situation and have backed the UK.
I think the problem is that Russia has covered their tracks quite well and the investigation is finding it hard to pinpoint. Most of the experts know it's Russia and will prove it. Sadly some will still not believe our government even if the evidence proves Russia did it.
I bet people will be supporting Russia on the latest chemical attack in Syria and I am sure we will get the usual culprits blaming the Tories or even Boris.
It's Just a shame that some people were very quick to defend Putin and Russia but when the shoes on the other foot they think Boris is guilty of lying without evidence. I guess they have their agenda.
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i see, so the Chief Executive of Porton Down in all of this is the real liar out of all this :emoticon-0112-wonde

He couldn't attribute it to Russia so if someone else in PD are saying it's from Russia than that guys a damn anti tory lying scumbag

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...uk-mod-theresa-may-intelligence-a8288896.html
 
Goldhawk-Road said:
The problem with Boris is he's lazy and doesn't want to bother with detail, which is disconcerting when he's Foreign Secretary. He does have a certain charisma which can win foreign friends, but basically he needs a minder to whack him on the back of his head and correct him each time he "mispeaks"
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Goldie You are spot on again. Boris is a very popular politician and is liked by many around the World. He has what Corbyn/Abbott and the rest of the muppet show that sits opposite does not. It's called 'Charisma' and the usual lefty Tory bashers hate this because Comrade Corbyn will never be PM even against a weak Tory party
 
ELLERS said:
mmmm. I heard a bloke from PD saying on Sky news that it was from Russia. Boris was briefed and reported his findings. Since then many countries have discussed the situation and have backed the UK.
I think the problem is that Russia has covered their tracks quite well and the investigation is finding it hard to pinpoint. Most of the experts know it's Russia and will prove it. Sadly some will still not believe our government even if the evidence proves Russia did it.
I bet people will be supporting Russia on the latest chemical attack in Syria and I am sure we will get the usual culprits blaming the Tories or even Boris.
It's Just a shame that some people were very quick to defend Putin and Russia but when the shoes on the other foot they think Boris is guilty of lying without evidence. I guess they have their agenda.
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You said you got a Masters degree didn't you? That's even more surprising than Diane Abbott.
 
Stroller said:
You said you got a Masters degree didn't you? That's even more surprising than Diane Abbott.
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Once again Stroller you start to get personal when you feel you are losing a debate or don't like what is being said.
What you need to do is stop being a muppet and knocking something that I worked very hard for especially when I had a sick relative to contend with as well. What I don't do is claim to have gone to Cambridge then make myself look at twat twice on national TV with my sums.
 
ELLERS said:
Once again Stroller you start to get personal when you feel you are losing a debate or don't like what is being said.
What you need to do is stop being a muppet and knocking something that I worked very hard for especially when I had a sick relative to contend with as well. What I don't do is claim to have gone to Cambridge then make myself look at twat twice on national TV with my sums.
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not sure thats happening.

Also good luck with what you're dealing with

even though i'm not a mod, the dig wasn't called for @Stroller
 
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ELLERS said:
Once again Stroller you start to get personal when you feel you are losing a debate or don't like what is being said.
What you need to do is stop being a muppet and knocking something that I worked very hard for especially when I had a sick relative to contend with as well. What I don't do is claim to have gone to Cambridge then make myself look at twat twice on national TV with my sums.
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There hasn't been a debate to lose, Ellers. You won't address the point.
 
Right lads keep the personal digs out of this, we all know that you come from opposing political view points and are unlikely to agree on anything, but time accept that maybe not everything is black and white and that sometimes grey appears......
 
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What was your masters in ellers?

Seemingly, we could debate this forever. I don't think however that we'll ever get to the bottom of it, not us cannon fodder tax payers. They're on about witness protection and relocation to the USA for the Skripals now!

I think it's the biggest pile of **** since 'money for the NHS' (which might happen, I know, I know), or WMD in Iraq, or 9/11. They get away with this charade time and time again. It's a disgrace.

Crimes should be investigated, and action not taken on whimsical likleyhoods. That goes for the latest Syria attack too.

But no, we'll carry on getting shafted again and again. None of these people should be allowed any control or power, they are the ones with agendas and they're ****ing dangerous.

I have a vision that one day this beautiful planet will be run on moral principles, with equality and compassion highest on the list of priorities. One day, people will look back at this period of history and be bewildered at the absurdity of it all.
 
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Woodyhoopleson said:
What was your masters in ellers?

Seemingly, we could debate this forever. I don't think however that we'll ever get to the bottom of it, not us cannon fodder tax payers. They're on about witness protection and relocation to the USA for the Skripals now!

I think it's the biggest pile of **** since 'money for the NHS' (which might happen, I know, I know), or WMD in Iraq, or 9/11. They get away with this charade time and time again. It's a disgrace.

Crimes should be investigated, and action not taken on whimsical likleyhoods. That goes for the latest Syria attack too.

But no, we'll carry on getting shafted again and again. None of these people should be allowed any control or power, they are the ones with agendas and they're ****ing dangerous.

I have a vision that one day this beautiful planet will be run on moral principles, with equality and compassion highest on the list of priorities. One day, people will look back at this period of history and be bewildered at the absurdity of it all.
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No chance woody. Ever since the beginning of man people have fought to survive and since there was ever scriptures man has always sort power.

We can only do what we can but just as their are sick people in the world whether mentally or physically handicapped, there will those born to take etc.
 
BobbyD said:
No chance woody. Ever since the beginning of man people have fought to survive and since there was ever scriptures man has always sort power.

We can only do what we can but just as their are sick people in the world whether mentally or physically handicapped, there will those born to take etc.
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Maybe, but equally with the rise of the internet, empowering people to communicate and collectively question and consider their existence, perhaps the decent majority will one day acknowledge the tipping point and actually do something about it. I do believe our eyes are opening.
 
Woodyhoopleson said:
Maybe, but equally with the rise of the internet, empowering people to communicate and collectively question and consider their existence, perhaps the decent majority will one day acknowledge the tipping point and actually do something about it. I do believe our eyes are opening.
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Maybe... I actually think it's worse. So much disinformation and people are even lazier than back then.... Also with technology it's made it easier to come up with fake pics fake videos fake news. Reporting has become an absolute cesspool and governments can now track you wherever you go
 
BobbyD said:
Maybe... I actually think it's worse. So much disinformation and people are even lazier than back then.... Also with technology it's made it easier to come up with fake pics fake videos fake news. Reporting has become an absolute cesspool and governments can now track you wherever you go
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Let's all swap phones, regularly, they won't know what's going on.
 
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Woodyhoopleson said:
I have a vision that one day this beautiful planet will be run on moral principles, with equality and compassion highest on the list of priorities. One day, people will look back at this period of history and be bewildered at the absurdity of it all.
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Every future generation does. If you time travelled 1000 years into the future you would probably see the same problems of greed/power and so on. What we need to do is get on with the now. We must respect the past and plan for the future. What we have is a government system like it or not because without it anarchy would take over. Many systems in the past have tried and failed mostly due to greed and power. Like you I hope that one day the World will be a better place but for now I cannot see change.
 
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