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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Ladies and gentlemen, the pro-gun lobby...

    If they were any more triggered they'd actually be part of an AR-15
     
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    Leaving aside all of the other facts, various countries have accepted the UK's evidence and acted because of it.
    That would suggest that there's more to it than one load of bullshit vs another load, wouldn't it?

    Was Litvinenko also someone other than Russia? What about Viktor Yushchenko?
    Putin likes to send messages to those that he deems enemies and traitors. Hardly controversial.
    I wonder how Paul Manafort feels about flipping right now?
     
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    No I think it suggests that a lot of countries have a grudge with Russia. A lot depends on unseen evidence and whether France & Germany actually saw it and considered. Do not ask me to believe that politicians make balanced well evidenced decisions when the whole of history suggests otherwise. I have yet to hear what could possibly motivate Putin to organise such an attack at this particular time. I can see no advantage to him. It is surely more likely that if the attack came from Russia then it came from an agency other than the state who might have reasons to destabilise Putin's support bearing in mind the elections in Russia. In reality it is difficult to know, which is my point in the first place. I would just remind you who our foreign minister is. When did Boris gain your trust?
     
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    France, Germany and another 20 odd countries.

    Why would Putin do it now? As opposed to all the other times that he's done it with a clear timing motive, of course.
    Why did he poison Litvinchenko when he did? It's an ongoing campaign against his enemies.
    The timing actually does have a point at the moment, though. Turn against Russia and we'll kill you and your family in a painful, nasty fashion.
    This while a wide variety of people are being dragged into the Mueller investigation in America. Funny that.

    Do I trust Boris Johnson? Of course not. I don't have to. He's merely made a stupid statement, as usual.
    Do I trust Vladimir Putin? Nope. I don't think that there was any risk to his election, either. It's quite a laughable suggestion.
     
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    Your assumptions may be right but they are assumptions and you are no better placed than anybody else to make these assertions. Again it may or may not be laughable to think that Russia has elections where others may win but OTHERS may harbor hopes. I am simply saying that I along with most who have made pronouncements on the subject have no evidence and therefore I do not take them seriously. This is the time of opinions, everyone seems to have one, few are worth much.
     
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    It's not an opinion to say that other countries have acted on the intelligence that Britain provided, it's an observation.

    Russia clearly doesn't have elections, Spurf. They're utterly rigged, even if you ignore the actual, physical rigging.
    The country doesn't have a free press or anything approaching political freedom. Putin shuts down all opposition, one way or another.
    Hoping won't make that change.
     
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    Is that the case PNP there is always so much propaganda where Russia is concerned. Where do you get your information? (Genuine question.)
     
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    Independent monitoring and Putin's opposition either getting financially linked to him or convicted of random crimes.
    Alexei Navalny is probably the most obvious example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Navalny

    There's no free press in Russia, which is the biggest issue.
    Putin would almost certainly win a free and fair election, but he won't take that risk.
    His critics and opposition end up exiled, jailed or dead.
     
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    I think someone took Putin's words for gospel and did a one off.......and screwed up.....thinking once the spy was dead,who would care?
     
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    Who will rid me of this turbulent defector
     
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  11. Do I know what happened? No, but on the balance of probabilities, Russia and Putin would appear to be prime suspects.
    However, it will be the end of the road for May and her government - and a very dark day for the UK - if they have led the Western (non-Russian) world into an open conflict with Russia on a premise that proves to be incorrect......

    Dare I suggest, that this is where you want a trusted international Diplomat as Foreign Secretary........ <laugh>
     
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    24hrs after London is announced to have a worse homicide rate than NYC, Plod goes into action...... by arresting a 78 yr old home owner in Hither Green for murder of a burglar in his house after he was threatened and assaulted by two men who broke into his house - in an area that has had a spate of burglaries..... <doh>
     
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    Yet another case of the Tories not understanding that web archives exist...
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    So of course, they go for the age-old standby...
     
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    It was part of a series of tweets and was deleted over a week ago for not being accurate enough.
    This is the sequence:


    It should've read:
    "Analysts at Porton Down, the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory in the UK, established and made clear that this was a military-grade chemical weapon. One of the Novichok series; a nerve agent as I said produced in Russia."

    Our major political parties are trying to score points off each other by chucking Russian propaganda back and forth.
    ****ing unbelievable. <doh>
     
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  15. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's been that way since the moment the Skripals first coughed, with the Dire Leader blocking Corbyn from receiving security clearance to the top-level security meetings - even though, as a member of the privy council, Corbyn is entitled to be granted clearance to those meetings.

    While most of the conspiracy theories doing the rounds can easily be dismissed with by anyone with an A-Level in chemistry (i.e. this pic - and variations on it - that's been doing the rounds online for the past month at regular intervals) but when you have things like deliberately blocking Corbyn from hearing evidence, or Boris Johnson sexing up the findings from Porton Down, that's the sort of thing that's going to remind people about the time we heard a convincing case from George W Bush and Tony Blair for invading Iraq - ad we all remember how that went.

    Meanwhile, in Russia, nobody appears to have told Putin what the word "Orwellian" means...

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    Not exactly. He's given secret clearance but top secret is at the discretion of the Prime Minister.
    It does sound very off, though. If he's being prevented from seeing it for a legitimate reason, then why don't we know what it is?
    Is he some sort of genuine security risk or is it just more ****ty rhetoric?
     
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    I hope the poor man has been bailed.

    Awful, sleeping at home with a sick wife and a couple of these yobs break in and threaten him.

    The poor man should be given a medal or a New Year Honour, not bleeding arrested.

    There is something seriously wrong with the laws in the UK.

    If it goes to court and he is convicted I hope the Judge shows some sense. Bound over to keep the peace for 1 milli-second would be appropriate.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    On a lighter note...

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    Photo I saw of a woman on her bicycle giving the Trump cavalcade "the finger". Well,her company apparently fired her for that.....and now she's suing!
    GO GIRL!
     
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  20. humanbeingincroydon

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    Isn't it time somebody pointed out whoever's running their Twitter account is doing a better job than Paul Merton has for the past twenty years?

     
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