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  1. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    B@stard link wont work. It was a link from Radio Newcastle on 2nd April. A disgruntled Safc fan hit the nail on the head about Coleman and how clueless and negative he is.
     
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  2. DAPARKERSAFC

    DAPARKERSAFC Well-Known Member

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    By my own admission I'm fairly quick to jump on managers, and whilst I don't agree with everything that Coleman does I think wanting him sacked is preposterous.

    The bloke hasn't been given a chance.

    For me he gets at least 5-10 games of next season.

    Another new manager in the summer could be massively detrimental.

    He knows what's needed and what type of players we need. Hopefully under new ownership he'll be given the resources to put a team together and move forward.
     
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  3. jdsafc

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    I listened to Radio Newcastle during that call. The guy was very annoyed and channelled his aggression towards Coleman.

    What annoyed him was a blanket email sent out by the club on behalf of Coleman saying to attend the important game and give full support. The caller was annoyed when he compared this with the manager who stood in his technical area with hands in pockets, with 3 strikers on the bench watching the game slip away.

    Probably a fair comment, all in all.

    Not really the root cause of the demise though is it - we were buggered long before this happened, and I am sick and tired of managers being made scape goats for the under performance of the football club
     
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    Disco down under Well-Known Member

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    All of our managers get labelled exactly the same.

    The next one under this current administration will too. There's a toxicity at the club which is far bigger than the man sat in the manager's chair.
     
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  5. cumbrianmackem

    cumbrianmackem Well-Known Member

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    His record of giving young players a go is enough for me to keep him for next season.
    Get rid of the old brigade, odd more youth to the few we already have and give it a right go next year.
    Any signings he does bring in have to be 6 foot and over the Wednesday team looked like giants compared to ours and we will need to scrap for every point next season which is where we failed this campaign as we are too light weight all over the pitch.
    A decent keeper has to be the number one priority as I'm all for handing that spot to young Stryker or however you spell His name.
    If as Tees says by ten or so games if its not working with Coleman then look elsewhere but where that is I've no idea.
     
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  6. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    I don't want Coleman to be sacked either - we can't just keep hiring and firing managers all of the time. I'm happy to give him a go at rebuilding our club.
    What I do want though is a manager that plays in a positive way and not leave 4 strikers on the bench when we are so massively in the shyte and 3 points is a must.
    I blame his tactics as much as I do the personnel for why we're about to experience back to back relegations.
    There was definately a team in our squad that would have stayed up if the right selections had been made.
     
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    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    Its a complete different ball game in this league. In order to be a success outside the Premier league a team needs 4 big lads at the back and a big lad upfront who knows where the back of the net is in a 442.
    The rest of the team needs to be made up with grafters and some players with balls. Individual ability does not get a player far unless he has abit of back bone and sadly weve got a full squad of players with the Spine of a Jelly fish.
     
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    I've been getting increasingly frustrated with our refusal to mix it up and go for more wins but I don't agree that we would have definitely stayed up had we played a different team. One game we win 4-1, the next game we play the same tactics and lose 3-1. The players are weak, inconsistent and incapable of defending and it'd take a genius to turn that round.

    We need to stick with Coleman for the sake of consistency, cut away more of the dead wood and begin a proper rebuild next season.
     
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    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    I dont believe for one minute that our squad is one of the 3 worst in the league.
    A combination of weak players physically and mentally, Colemans tactics, injuries and players that have a slight knock who probably could have played but took the easy option is why were down, I think.
     
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  10. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    Well what can coleman say? Nowt he can can say in the media can change anything no matter what he says cause we don't play football in the press room, but he's contractually obliged to speak, so what's the point in focusing on it when they're forced words and we have a fan base who kicks off at the truth and kick of at lies? Managers can't win in the press room with this fan base it's pathetic. I think the caller is an idiot personally, so our manager is dejected, so is everybody else it's the sign of the times. This bloke's anger is so misdirected spitting his dummy over sound bites when down due to the way the club has been ran A THE TOP.

    Says what an idiot he is when he states we've gone down because the manager has his hands in his pockets <laugh>
     
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    and 4 at the back is not the answer, we've won next to nowt from nearly a decade of 4 at the back. Formation porn is not the problem, soundbite porn is not the answer, stop going through managers, rectifying bad investment in the squad and getting rid of certain playing staff has been the answer for god knows how long.

    There's no answer to save us this season, chance blown in the windows as I've always said.
     
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    Spot on <ok>
     
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    Bloody hell. We dominated the game against Sheffield Wednesday. More possession and double the number of shots . 2 mistakes cost us the game and the ref denied us a clear penalty imo.

    The only question of the current management I have is why we have so many injuries. Moyes was a negative sack of ****e and Grayson out of his depth. Coleman is giving youth a chance, and i beleive knows what's wrong at the club.
    If Short had gotten a few pennies out of the bank and allowed us to get our first choice keeper during January our position would be much different imo. Our current keepers are shockingly bad, not even fit for league 1.

    No time to use scapegoats, just need to hope and pray that we get new owners sooner rather than later

    Even if you don't agree with me, you have to admit that even if Coleman isn't the best manager in the world, he's far better than any other we are likely to get at the moment.
     
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    Agree with this, but a bit too much porn in your earlier assessment for me. <laugh>...
    I heard the phone in referred to earlier, and the criticism was really heart felt by a caller who was at the game with his wife and daughter and had renewed their season tickets before the game, his points were fair and he questioned whether the club deserved support, when the managers body language along with his tactics were so negative, no excuses could be made for either imo.
     
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  15. Brian Storm

    Brian Storm Well-Known Member

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    I think it's sad people are still hanging on and letting themselves suffer. Letting it effect their mental health the lot. I find sad to be honest, there's bigger problems in my own head in my world. Much more sensible to detach myself from it. Makes the whole situation clearer too imo cause my emotions aren't staked into it.

    I get the negativity in the tactics for the very little it's worth, go for it and we concede for fun, we can't retain the ball high up the pitch, we don't have a goal scorer and we can't defend, going for it would result in total and utter embarrassment being relegated with a goal difference that screams we were everybody elses bitch. I can detach myself but still I want the club to retain some dignity.
     
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  16. Brian Storm

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    We sacked **** for **** and would only be hiring **** again. Good managers command high wages and high demands, we don't cater for either so while we're in this position may as well ride it with this one until a new owner eventually brings in their own man armed with some resources. Thing is, better managers would still fail with the clip of this club
     
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    Of course the whole team needs to look at themselves, but **** me, our goalkeepers this season have the been the worst I have seen in my lifetime. I havnt got the time or ability to count how many points they have cost us this season with their mistakes. Of course the keepers are not to blame for the play leading up to a cross or a shot but the three of them this season have been truly awful.
     
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  18. jdsafc

    jdsafc Well-Known Member

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    Realisation of our plight hits different people at different times depending on their stance.
    What some people regard as positivity is regarded by others as burying their head in the sand.

    This fella was a positive ostrich for longer than most - fair enough, his choice.

    It just annoys me when they vent at the manager - IT IS NOT HIS FAULT :headbang::headbang::headbang:
     
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  19. Teessidemackem

    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    We have a very capable looking keeper in Stryjek but we still bought Camp in in Jan?. Why not give the lad a chance and save on wages and potentially another loan signing instead?
    Same goes with Beadling. Hes been one of our better young players for a few years now. We decide to loan him out and loan in other teams shyte to replace him ie Marc Wilson, Galloway, Salter and Browning.

    The whole season has just been a complete shambles from July 1st to now.
     
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    Teessidemackem Well-Known Member

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    The manager is the one that decides how many strikers and wingers he picks.? People are venting because its obvious to just about everyone but him that we needed to just take the Bull by the horns and go down with a fight and not a whimper which is exactly what weve done.
     
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