Off Topic Breakfast, Dinner, Tea v Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner

Boris the Buffoon apparently. It may be better than his English

 

I did one year of Latin at my grammar school in the 1970's. Didn't learn a ****ing thing so if I do meet Julius Caesar, I'll still be ****ed

 

Me too, rightup to O level. With the verb coming at the end of the sentence when you do a direct translation it sounds like Master Yoda

 

I did an O level in it, and somehow passed.

 

Bam, bas, bat, bamus, batis, bant.

Caecillius est in horto.


Yup, I can!

 

There's this magical, mysterious thing called the English language where words spelled the same have different meanings.

Don't tell Bod though as it confuses him

 

I have known people, have you ever heard of the language tree?

Sometimes if i'm trying to understand the meaning of something, the root in another language i will turn to Latin.

 

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Is there a song for eram, eras, eramus, eratis, erant?

There should be!

 

Tea is a drink in any version of the English language!

 

Really, no ****?

It's also a meal.

 

So....what was 'Tea' called before it was introduced in the UK about 350 years ago.....Dinner?

 

What is the name of the evening meal? Is it dinner, supper or tea?

And if the answer is “dinner”, why are our children having school dinners in the middle of the day? Or, to put it another way, if someone invites you to tea, what time do you arrive?

And what, if anything, do you expect to eat? Some thinly-cut cucumber sandwiches and a piece of cake or a full-on hot dinner with dessert?
“It’s very complicated, really,” says Colin Spencer, author of British Food: An Extraordinary Thousand Years of History, referring to meal-time terminology. “It always conveys some social distinction.
Food is so symbolic of where you believe you are within society.”

Nearly everyone agrees that breakfast is the first meal of the day. The confusion sets in after elevenses or mid-morning coffee and biscuits. If you are a member of the lower classes or live outside London and the south-east, the midday meal is called dinner and is often the main meal of the day. But for the upper classes and metropolitans, the midday meal is called lunch and is usually quite light unless taken in a restaurant with friends or business associates.

In the evening, the lower classes and northerners come home from work, school or shopping and sit down to another fairly substantial meal called tea at about 6pm. However, the upper classes and southerners eat later and the meal they eat, called dinner, tends to be the main meal of the day. For all classes and regions, supper usually means a late-night snack or meal, but some people use the term for the early evening meal if they have already had their dinner at midday. Afternoon tea – a pot of tea with sandwiches and cake once enjoyed by upper-class ladies of leisure – has largely died out but lives on in the form of the 4pm tea and biscuits that people of all classes enjoy. If the system were not complicated enough, schools introduce even more quirks.

By custom, at least in the state sector, all schools serve school dinners at midday and call the evening meal tea; so to avoid confusing the children, some parents temporarily adopt the breakfast-dinner-tea terminology even if it goes against their instincts. Another anomaly is that if your children eat the meal the school provides, it is a school dinner, but if they take in their own food, it is a packed lunch. Another problem arises if the main meal of the day does not coincide with the meal you call dinner.

The upper classes, for example, are thrown into turmoil when they find themselves eating their main meal of the day at lunchtime. Is it Sunday dinner or Sunday lunch? Christmas dinner or Christmas lunch?

Not surprisingly, research on meal terminology is a bit thin on the ground but last year, Geest, the fresh food supplier now owned by Iceland’s Bakkavör, did a survey that provided some insights. Based on a sample of 1,000 Britons, it found that 53 per cent called the main evening meal dinner, 39 per cent called it tea and just 8 per cent called it supper. But within those figures, there was a stark north-south divide. In northern England, 68 per cent of those questioned called the main evening meal tea, but in London, only 5 per cent followed the same custom.

How did the divergence come about?

n medieval England, everyone knew you ate breakfast when you rose at daybreak, dinner in the middle of the day and supper just before you went to bed, around sundown. Things started to change with rising prosperity, urbanisation and industrialisation. The better-off could afford candles and lamps that allowed them to party after dark, and keeping late hours became a status symbol.
For these people, dinner – still the main meal of the day – was gradually pushed back until it reached evening. As writer Sherrie McMillan explained in an article in History Magazine, this posed a problem for early risers such as mothers with children: they faced an enormous gap between breakfast and dinner. So the womenfolk invented a light, midday meal called luncheon to bridge the gap, using a word with a disputed derivation.

Meanwhile, among the lower classes, working people now had to travel to factories to work so their midday meal, still called dinner, consisted of only what they could carry with them. Hungry again by the end of the day, they would have another substantial meal when they arrived home, calling it tea after the drink that accompanied it. Supper remained, for all classes, a bed-time snack.

Could we conceivably rationalise the names of our meals? Perhaps we could agree that dinner is, as it always was, the main meal of the day, usually consisting of more than one course. If eaten at midday, the terminology should be breakfast-dinner-supper, as in medieval times.

If eaten in the evening, the terminology should be breakfast-lunch-dinner, on the basis that breakfast-tea-dinner makes no sense at all and to call tea a meal is confusing.

 

All my own work, obvs.

 

I still have to correct people on this, It’s tea not dinner, It’s not that hard is it.

 

I don't want to know!

 

^^^^^^wears a bib.

 

The was a reason this thread had disappeared off the front page @Matth_2014