A couple of questions for you. Which particular nuance of law applies to make it reasonable self-defence to behead an unarmed man offering no violence to you in front of a camera? Does it become self-defence if you hold the camera, took part in capturing your victim or tied his hands as opposed to using the knife? The trial he is entitled to should consist only of an examination of the evidence as to whether he was part of the specific group responsible for those murders and broadcasts and then hearing what he has got to say. It's not necessary that he should have a public audience for that as only the Judge decides sentence. Assuming that he has had a fair trial and is found guilty are you saying he shouldn't be executed at all or simply not beheaded with a knife in front of a camera?
any half wit who has gone to fight for isis should have their passport recinded and not be allowed to return to the uk there are enough nutters living there without letting more return all foreigners wishing to live in the uk should be expected to learn English apparently there are 900000 Pakistanis who cant speak English living in the uk most of them are woman not allowed to learn English by their husbands bring in an English test people jumping out of the back of lorries should be detained and not expected to turn up at immigration because they have been politely asked too if you have uncontrolled immigration you end up without enough housing you end up without enough teachers you end up with a stretched nhs you will never have enough resources if at the end of the day you have more locals cleaning toilets picking fruit driving buses etc so what jees I have moved on from my original point stroller will have a field day with my half pissed rant exit stage door right
It's against international law to make anyone stateless. So unless they have dual nationality, you can't revoke their British citizenship.
I think you are mixing up one part of a conversation with another - it was never suggested that this behaviour was self defence. Goldie was talking about what would the reaction be to someone punching you in the mouth - his analogy not mine, and it was related to the concept of restorative justice for the act, not the act itself. ( #17110 ) No. I'm not in favour of the death penalty - I'm also not in favour of people executing other people in any form, be that ISIS beheading, killing innocent children with drones or bombing hospitals with white phosphorous.
I agree with you in principle Seagull, partly because too many innocents get executed. But when you have some deranged nutcase proudly boasting about their killing principles don't seem too important. I had a French colleague who reckoned Bevik should have been guillotined in Oslo's main street - it would certainly have saved a lot of trouble.
If only it was possible to run two realities in parallel to see whether the death penalty acts as a deterrent sufficient enough to more than offset the number of innocents to be wrongly executed. Of course, one innocent wrongly executed by the state is bad, but so too is one innocent murdered in the street. As Hitchens P often says, we have a state-approved death penalty already, every time a policeman shoots dead a Brazilian with a backpack, or a chap walking down the street with a chair leg, or every time we send in a drone (as Seagie recognises) to some far off clay town.
UK scientists at porton down seem to be suggesting that there is no physical link between this (non lethal) nerve agent and Russia.
In context: Just how bad is London's murder rate? North Wales and Manchester are among several UK areas with more murders per 100,000 people than the capital. 20:22, UK, Tuesday 03 April 2018 please log in to view this image Image: There have been 45 killings in London this year By Joe Tidy, Sky News Correspondent London has experienced a spike in stabbings and shootings, but is the rate per 100,000 people any worse than other UK regions? Sky News has identified that in the first quarter of this year, 45 people have been killed in London. A shocking figure and one that is prompting headlines along the lines of "London Murder Rate Overtakes New York". It is true to say that this spike in violent crime in the capital has led to more murders committed in the city in February and March than there were in New York - but context is important. :: London's year of horror so far: The victims please log in to view this image Image: Tanesha Melbourne, 17, died on 2 March, bringing the number of London homicides to 45 Firstly, New York's homicide rate has been declining steadily since a horrendous period in the 1990s when more than 2,000 people were killed each year. Last year, the NYPD investigated 290 homicides. Perhaps the best way to look at these figures is per 100,000 population. On that metric, New York has the lowest rate per 100,000 of any of the United States' five largest cities. :: Teenager dies in mother's arms after shooting Using Office for National Statistics figures for homicide - both murder and manslaughter - in each British constabulary area (Sept 2016 - Sept 2017), we can see that London has a rate of 1.45 homicides per 100,000 people. This is around the same as Leicestershire (1.5), West Yorkshire (1.45) and Derbyshire (1.6). There are plenty of places with a worse rate and some may surprise you. please log in to view this image Image: (L-R) Steve Narvaez-Jara, Abraham Badru and Hannah Leonard were killed in London in 2018 The worst is Greater Manchester where 61 deaths led to a rate of around 2.44 homicides per 100,000 people. There were 12 homicides in Glasgow last year leading to a rate of about two per 100,000 and West Midlands Police recorded 44 homicides, giving the area a rate of about 1.76. Even North Wales Police, who recorded 13 homicides, has a higher rate than London at about 1.88. All of this, of course, does not detract from problems the capital faces. please log in to view this image Image: Youth worker Kwabena Nelson, 22, was stabbed to death in Tottenham If the current rate of homicides continues at the pace we have seen so far, there could be as many as 180 people killed on the streets this year. The bigger picture is that about 750 people were killed either by murder or manslaughter in the UK last year.
Hasn't it been proven that Novichok can be synthesised outside of Russia, Iran for instance? Also the Chief Executive at Porton Down has said "there is no known antidote to novichok, and none was given to either of the Skripals." So how did Skripal's daughter make a miraculous recovery from the "deadliest nerve agent known to man"? One other thing, how comes we haven't seen either of the victims stricken in their hospital beds as we saw with Litvinenko. You usually see the press and TV stations camped outside the hospital, we've seen none of that. One other thing, first off they said the agent was in the air conditioning. Then they said it was on the front door. It wasn't until someone pointed out that how comes the cops on duty outside for two weeks haven't been affected by it then. They're now changed it to being in their porridge. Something doesn't add up here.
Teresa told us specifically what it was and who was most likely culpable after a day or two. Some two weeks later, uk scientists at porton down say no link to Russia, not that it couldn't be them, but no reason to suggest it was them. So what was she quoting so quickly? Who, other than uk porton down scientists, could have given her info after a couple of days? We haven't even heard from the Dutch experts yet.
Boris Johnson, when asked two weeks ago how the government was so sure that the nerve agent came from Russia, did what he has been doing all his life, and lied........ “When I look at the evidence, the people from Porton Down, the laboratory, they were absolutely categorical. I asked the guy myself, I said: ‘Are you sure?’ And he said: ‘There’s no doubt.’ So we have very little alternative but to take the action that we have taken.”
Which begs the question of what the claimed 'evidence' is and why the UK apparently never disclosed it to the OPCW. ( Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.)
Other people who may have come into contact with it, were advised to wash their clothes, and presumably hands as well afterwards, nothing like a bit of dove moisturising soap to freshen you up after a brush with a deadly nerve agent. What about the stockpiles of the stuff, they've still got that, right?
