Brian Cloughs remark was in reference to long ball football. The quote is relevant in the context of passing and keeping the ball on the deck, this thread. It is relevant in the context of possession and Frank Fielding's bizarre and wasteful goal kicks. Bristol City have a Keeper who regularly kicks the ball off the pitch from a goal kick and has been doing do so month on month.
He was referring to outfield players playing the ball on the deck not goalkeepers , so to quote him and suggest we apply that to Frankie's goal kicks really isn't relevant no matter how you try to twist things to fit your opinion of Frankie. You have your opinion, I have mine , best we just agree to differ.
No twisting. You put a Clough quote up and I used another which directly refers to a type of football as an aside. Frank Fielding's goal kicks attempting to hit Aden Flints head is hardly total football is it? That is the long ball football Clough disliked. Wasteful and ineffectual.
I'm not arguing Clifton, Clough wasn't referring to goalkicks as you yourself know as you suggested Shilton would have had to adapt to play in a top side now. As regards Frankie we have both made our opinions obvious and they differ, you are entitled to yours , as I'm entitled to mine , there really isn't much point in going around in circles. Like I said just agree to differ
Clough was referring to long ball football. That's what Frankie's goal kicks are. His eccentric use of the ball (long) there could be a topic all of its own. Regarding Peter Shilton. Shilton did not play much past the rule change. The game he played in has gone. The now is he would not be adapting to play at that level he would start on that path at an academy, with distribution almost certainly part of its syllabus. A keeper with good and great distribution is integral to teams at all levels. That is where the game is for many, not all teams but teams at various levels.
no idea if they were outfield players was thinking its not a fashion so much. Van Der Sar another its something that has grown in importance. way England played last night doubt Hart could do it.
1For, you mention outfield players changing to become keepers. We obviously both remember Ray Cashley who did exactly what you suggest. Not sure but didn't Frank Fielding start outfield with Blackburn ? If so he proves the exception to the rule.
I don't think he did. I just checked the font of all knowledge - Wikipedia and it has him down as a 6'1"goalkeeper
I remember when ole Cashley scored!! (showing age there).. I think there were a few over the years that started out as outfield players, so had the confidence with ball at feet.....seems that it's gone to a all new level at current times.......having said that, we all used to play over the fields with no stick goalies......nothing bloody new!!!
Some famous GK names who could play in the outfield. http://goalkeepermagazine.com/5-goalkeepers-that-actually-played-outfield/
http://goalkeepermagazine.com/5-goalkeepers-that-actually-played-outfield/ According to what Wiz has found, Joe Hart started out as an outfield player!! However, I never rated Hart, good with his feet, spills too many for my liking and his decision making is poor.
Other way round for me thought he was good at shot stopping and on crosses but poor on the ball. that good part of his game seems to have gone south and he was never going to be good enough on the ball for Man City now. can see him dropping lower than West Ham next move.
Specialists positions have become multi functional. Goalkeepers do not just save shots, centre backs do not just head, it, wingers do not stay on the line getting chalk on their boots, number nines do not stay around the box. Players are being required to be universal technicians. Bristol City at their best do play a expansive game, to play a even more expansive game the squad should become more universal. A means of progressing can be to embrace (recruitment) that v looking to play more vertically which has occurred over the last few months.
