lets sack this useless manager now and ORTA as we are going to be still in championship next season so no worry of going down this season , and get a new quality manager in just let him stay on the sidelines to observe the players and let the assistant manager jamie clapham pick the players the new manager will then be able to observe the players that are not putting 100 % in and which players are useless such as o kane etc ...then in the summer the new manager will know what players we need to keep and which players need to be transfered or contracts finished .and also tell the new manager how much money is available so he can get a list of players to come to elland road between now and the end of the season , he would then see the play offs and what teams dont go up we can pinch their players , THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW !!, steve bruce ( i know he used to play for the enemy but he has got teams promoted ) simon grayson a return ? his record at least he got us up from league 1 and always had preston near the play offs and i think had preston in the play offs 1 season i might be wrong on that but think that was the case , tony pullis , EVEN big sam got west ham up ! atkins ?tony pulis , ex barnsley non acheiving manager paul hecking...bottom ( arse ) NEEDS TO BE SACKED 2 WINS IN I BELIEVE TO BE 9 GAMES ????? Whats your thoughts ??? have a look at paul hecking...bottoms record at barnsley the 1 that stands out is :- Barnsley 83 games played 23 won 25 drawn 35 loses 27.7 % win ratio 15 Jun 2016 - 6 Feb 2018 then have a look at the rest of the managers records ! http://www.thesackrace.com/managers/championship
Big Sam pulis and Bruce all have very good jobs and providing 52 points makes the playoffs we still have a great chance
I have to admit at being totally underwhelmed so far. I haven't seen anything like a reaction from the players who are doing the same things badly, making the same errors, tactics very similar. We usually see a new manager bounce when someone new comes in, but we have seen none of it. Whatever happens PH will be here until the Summer because Radz owned up to making a mistake about Tommy. The fans deserve a manager who will be here for years, so unless PH can up his game and engineer some results through being tactically astute. persisting with Phillips and O'Kane is just wrong, Anita as a full back is just wrong
middlesbrough in 6th place have 61 points so leeds are 11 points off the play offs with 9 games ( 27 points ) to play for i know i should not say it but its very unlikely leeds will make the play offs , and the point is if we dont players may want to leave and the coach orta is not organising defence or showing them how to defend and the manager is a non achieving one and i dont want them 2 in charge of the millions of pounds of transfer money in the summer which will F.CK us up next year whats your thoughts on that?
We need to win 10 games to get to the play offs with only 9games left so should be a great finish to the season
11 points off a play off place,9 games to go so that's over a point per game to make up,can't be done unless we win seven & draw maybe two.With this shower unfortunatly no chance & i'm usually optimistic.
100% spot on leeds have gone to the magic 50 points to stay in championship and dont think we will make play offs now but lets use the remaining games to get it right for next season and your 100% right leeds need massive injection of pounds ( funds ) in buying quality players experienced campainers in the championship and premiership proven players not promising ones !
yes sadly thats the state of play with an owner who knows F. ALL about football , a coach that does not know how to teach defending and a manager who is non acheived , but the owner could get it right next season if he gets the right manager a well known one who knows the right players to get leeds up we need big money put in
Jesus we go on about having some consistency within the club, and now we are talking about getting rid of a newly appointed manager before the season is over, give the guy a chance. Does the PH appointment fill me within confidence - NO, then again neither did Don Revies appointment in the 1960's, and if I'm being honest the last managerial appointment that was inspiring (for me) was George Graham, I didnt want him at the club, but was confident enough that he would do the job that he did, which at that time was make us difficult to beat. Would I be any more confident that the board would appoint someone that I (or we) consider to be better than PH - NO, for god knows how many years the club have tried to do everything on the cheap, why would we expect any difference with the next appointment, Id rather the club be prepared to give someone a chance, than have to keep admitting that they got it wrong every four months when we get rid of a manager, as that indicates that the problem aint at managerial level Firstly the players within the squad are not very good, virtually everyone agrees on this, and it would appear that the blame for this is being directed towards Orta, although as has been pointed out on another thread, in recent years the club have managed to sign a number of below par players prior to Orta coming to the club. However if we accept that the players are poor and Orta is responsible for this, then how can we expect PH to perform miracles. Secondly we are on our 14th manager/coach in the last 10 years, remove Grayson from the equation and its 13 managers in the last 6 years, whether those appointments were right or wrong doesnt really matter, there have been numerous other reasons other than having a crap manager/coach that has negated any chances of us being successful. All Leeds United Managers Manager From Until Phil Heckingbottom 2018 Thomas Christiansen 2017 2018 Garry Monk 2016 2017 Steve Evans 2015 2016 Uwe Rösler 2015 2015 Neil Redfearn 2014 2015 Darko Milanič 2014 2014 Neil Redfearn 2014 2014 Dave Hockaday 2014 2014 Brian McDermott 2013 2014 Neil Redfearn 2013 2013 Neil Warnock 2012 2013 Neil Redfearn 2012 2012 Simon Grayson 2008 2012 Thirdly, and this is where I believe our main problem lies, is that in those same 6 years, we have had 4 different owners, who each have had their own opinion on how to run a football club, and yet I've also seen posts saying that its time for Radz to go as well. We are in a vicious cycle of constantly having to rebuild the club, never mind the first team playing squad, every other year, is it any wonder that we are struggling to get it right on the playing field, and yet we seem to want to lay the blame for all this at the door of a guy who decided that he wanted to be more ambitious in his career and left Barnsley. Sniffer with regards to who you state that would be preferable as manager, I won't disagree, in my mind they would all be better, however it is not PH's fault that none of those guys got appointed, we dont even know if they were even being considered, and surely that is a more important question to be asking
As i previously stated on my post radrizzani knows f... all about football thats why in my opinion he appointed ex barnsley manager , but results are results and out of 7 games i believe it is now we have lost 5 games a new manager is suppossed to rectify that which he has not if he is having problems with orta he should and could have mentioned it to radrizzani but as a manager he should intervene and say on the training pitch "NO THAT IS THE WRONG WAY TO DEFEND " have we heard that in the press ?? no , have we heard a whisper of it leaking out via the players NO so obviously he is going along with it instead of saying something OR he agrees with orta on the defending which if he does is a disgrace and an insult to fans , the performance of players the manager is suppossed to influence and if leeds utd performance is anything to go by then he is not doing his job and any other manager at a club with his record would be sacked , as i said i am not happy with the situation of a coach that is NOT showing players how to defend and a manager been appointed being non successful at the higher level ( thats where we are aiming to go is"nt it ?
Ok I'm a glutton for punishment so I am going to try again. Firstly I will agree that I would no have had PH as the guy to manage/coach the club I support. However the powers that be decided that he was the best man for the job under the guidelines that they were wanting, same as they decided TC was previously the best man for the job.What were the guidelines that Radz and Orta were working too. An experienced British manager noted for achieving successful promotions, given the appointments obviously not. A manager who likes to be hands on and control everything in respect of the playing squad (ie the more traditional type of manager like you mentioned in your post), well again obviously not as those you mentioned were already in jobs at the time of PH appointment and also it's pretty unlikely at present that anybody of that style was even considered as that would have reduced Ortas role. Instead to me it looks like they have gone down the cheap and cheerful option who is prepared to accept the restrictions imposed on him by the board, although at least this time they have gone for someone with some experience of the league, even if that doesn't experience isn't as vast as you, me of many others would have liked. However your argument is that he hasn't done anything since being at the club to improve the team and I will agree with you that on the surface he hasn't, buyer don't know what's gone in the background, the lack of press leaks doesn't mean anything, for all we know PH has told Radz that 90% of the playing squad is crap and needs to be replaced, just because it hasn't leaked doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Do I think PH has the necessary skills to be able to take us forward, I'd say probably not, however i also have no confidence in the board being able to choose the right replacement if they got rid of PH. Whilst Radz is as reliant upon Orta as he has been then in my opinion it doesn't matter who we get in to coach the team. At the end of the day I want Radz, Orta and PH to be successful at our club, do I think PH will be successful, then the honest answer is no, but I am not going to castigate him at present when he is playing with a loaded deck and I am unconvinced that the club would under its present regime appoint anyone that would be satisfactory to either you or myself.
Have I missed something. Where has it been reported that Orta is involved in the coaching of the team?
Very interesting post that. As you say we have bought poorly before Orta joined, so a question is were all the previous managers poor judges of players? Is Orta or are they forced to take punts to bring players in on set budget (transfer and wages). As for the managers, take redfearn out and it drops considerably
Take your point about the figures including Redfearn as caretaker, but that still leaves us with 10 appointments over 6 years, which still shows a lack of consistency. As for the issue on poor players, we know Bates didn't like spending money, GFH tried to make it look like they had money but didn't, and Cellino just thought he could do it on the cheap and that when paired with some poor managerial appointments, then to me it's no surprise that it's going to take time for us to recover
Aha no worries, to be honest I'd just counted the number of appointments without looking at the list, so it was only when I read your response that I realised that Redfearn was listed 4 times, which just made an appalling record seem even more abysmal
