Yeah, google keeps asking me to review my recent visits to St Marys.
Should be enough data out there for google to work that out themselves
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Should be enough data out there for google to work that out themselves
Or a controlling element of a certain demographic gather up polling cards and deny the voter the right to vote under pressure whether that be societal or domineering husband etc. The Tower Hamlets one had suggestions of this where community leaders demanded people vote x way and there suggestions that a proportion of those votes were group votes made by one person after gathering up other's cards.
They should just cave in and do a national ID card for free or use NI cards. Re-issue NI cards for those of us who do not have them anymore (I have mine but it is in shrapnel pieces after 15 or so years (up to about the mid noughties) in my wallet. I still have the pieces in my "accounts" folder.
I have never even had a driving lesson nor ever intend to. And I didn't have a passport until 2004, then when that ran out I didn't renew it until last year. There are still vast amounts of people with neither. passports expire so once you've got kids and you're not well off you don;t renew it. Plus lots of households where Dad drives but Mum doesn't (t'other way round in mine) or single Mums that don't drive. <----i am not being sexist there. I don't know any single Dads that don;t drive. Most males tend to be opposite to me and getting the driving licence is the first thing on their radar when they are old enough.
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Charles Moore of the Spectator stated he was going to show how easy it was to vote twice before the last election (or was it the 2015 one.) He had 2 addresses and got 2 polling cards. HE voted on one and wrote on the other one something like (I have already voted somewhere else) to "spoil" the second one. HE then got into trouble with the authorities.
Lots of students were on facebook last year bragging about how they had sent a postal vote in for one and turned up in the marginal they were students at.
HMOs are a major problem. As is giving the vote to ineligible voters.
My wife used to get a polling card until a few years ago for both the local and general election. As a Portuguese national but a non British, Irish or Commonwealth citizen she is not eligible to vote in general elections yet she did the first time. This was despite the electoral roll form clearly stating her nationality as Portuguese. On the system her nationality should have rendered her as ineligible for GE but it still sent her a card.
I did try and march her down there with instructions to vote for the super Tories each other time and obey her master but she was having none of it.
Is this really true? I/we get a form with the household details on it (mine and my wife) which clearly states you only need to return it if it is wrong. So I don't return it.
I get my polling cards every time and my wife gets her local election one. We do not ever return the form because it is already correct.
But you don't need your polling card to vote?
Same effect could be achieved by simply confiscating ID's or forcing them to go with a postal vote.
You will never force people to carry their phones with them. That is a worse idea than the ID card one. I do not have a smartphone and don;t want one. And the "dumphone" I do have more often than not gets left at home because I just don't think "must take phone with me."
I know a lot of people that do not even own a dumbphone!!! My Parents for a start but not just oldies. My Mum doesn't drive and had never travelled abroad until 2009 (older generation had it so much better and all that.) So no phone, No passport, no driving licence.
I find it laughable that there is a suggestion of forcing people to buy a phone and put money on it by the same people that are now suggesting that everybody should have a phone.
The only reason I still have a dumbphone is because my wife insisted I had one. I would have got rid of it years ago otherwise and even now I get it in the ear every time I leave it at home.
It's not the being watched Chilco, it's the probable stop and produce scenarios that would emerge, and the abuses thereof.
I have nothing to hide (well, not much anyway) so it would annoy me to think someone might ask. I can understand a need to show a driving license, when you are a driver but not so struck on a license to be a citizen.
Do you never leave your house? When I played pool and would walk home with my mate after pool games (right up to 2014 or so) we would regularly be stopped by Police (quite often the same winker who quite obviously knew he stopped us at the same time every week) and asked us for our names and address. My mate got arsey saying he didn;t have to give them his name and address under (whatever act it was) which they said. "Quite right you don;t..........however we will have to take you to the station to find out if you won't give us this information.)
So there we are each time waiting for their check up to be processed where a card would be OK on ya go.
My point is that your complaint about being asked for ID is and always has been going on anyway. I've ever bee arrested in my life. Only seen the inside of a police statio twice to give a statement when my mate got beat up ad to report a bike stolen. Yet I have been stopped to have my ID checked more times than I have kept count of. 2 or 3 you would remember but it must be up near the 30 or 40 mark. Through my adult lifetime that is.
I didn't suggest anything or say forced but I think they will be forced in the way you won't even be able to start your car without them in the future. But I was talking about the future. Smartphones can already do what an ID does as well as things a credit card does and most other things you would have in your wallet like house keys. Eventually it will take over out of convinience but not for decades.
In the near future I think you will be able to use it as a substitute for an ID in the same way you can use a credit card alongside cash.
So will we all get phones for free then? I think the above misses a lot of realities:
1 - Unless the government is going to give phones with contracts to make them work for free then you run up against the same argument as the passport and Driving licence. You are forcing people to pay for something and while a lot of people might not believe it there are vast swathes of the country that do not want nor will have a phone.
2 - Commerce will never turn sales down. They aren't going to insist on cash being eradicated if it means losing sales.
3 - A lot of people with phones do not trust them and will never use them as they would a debit card. I know lots of people love "swiping" their phones at the news agent or to buy stuff but I know a lot more that would never ever trust that. Lots of people don;t even trust their debit card and draw their money out then pay in cash. I do for one but that is because cash withdrawals show on my online account straight away whereas as DD transactions can take 2-3 days. Much easier for me to budget when I can see (on my laptop when I get home) what my current account looks like rather than have to tally a load of receipts up.
I think a lot of people just do not realise that these things are unworkable. Will they be retrofitting classic cars with this device to start it? Car manufacturers will never move to something like that if it loses them sales. You will get certain manufacturers that use it as a plus point for them "you don;t need a phone to start our cars."
If you think people are just going to trust their phones to lock their house, start their car, pay for stuff then I'm afraid you are wrong because there will always be a large enough section of society that won't buy a phone or not use a phone for these things that the market will not be able to just ignore it.
Like I said earlier. A few years ago I was going to finish with my contract. My wife insisted I needed it because of the kids!!! i.e. getting in contact with each other if something arises. So I continued on the cheapest contract. However I don;t use the phone, rarely take it with me when I go out and eventually I will get rid of it.
Meanwhile the Jetson demographic thinks that in the future everybody will be clones.
It isn't about convenience. It is about trust. A lot of people do not trust these processes. Not in the same way that some don;t trust banks so don't have an account but they do not trust the whole "data" part of this. No-one can see what I am spending my money on, just that I draw it out of the cashpoint. No GPS tracking my every move all day long, tracing my steps, noting which shops I go in, which ones I don't spend anything and which ones I do, what I buy.
No worry that the system took my money twice.....or that some fraud has now managed to take money out because I accessed their dodgy system. These habits and fears won;t just die out in decades. If they do there will be more bitcoins and in a real physcial money sense to replace the money that used to be there. And commerce will then have to accept it because they do not want to turn business away.
It is fantasy to think that it will ever happen. Definitely not in my lifetime even if I live to be 100 (another 57 years.) More likely that money is rendered obsolete entirely not just physically with everybody being in an electronically controlled socialist setup where money is not required at all.
What? I didn't say anything like half of what you said (for example i never said the government will force you have have a phone as your id at all) and most of the rest doesn't make sense or has already happened. Electronic is actually more secure as keys can be stolen and used whereas a phone needs a password/fingerprint/facial recognition/whatever future security brings tailored to your taste. so for me your argument is on the receiving end of your trust statement. it also saves companies a LOT of money to do away with physical things for a lot of reasons. not least the amount of control it gives them. sales just aren't as important as profit and having a 'standard model' massively increases profit due to reduced costs. but i said take over, not remove completely, and where you got no more cash from i have no idea when the only time i mentioned cash was when i specifically said card alongside cash....
edit : When i say take over i mean like how online statements have taken over from paper statements and we don't even do paper statements unless you specifically request one every month.
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I'd say I'm pretty well travelled and usually have a fairly active social life but either don't look or behave so that the old bill are interested, or police are different in every single place I've ever lived in or travelled to which is quite a lot of places, because the only time anybody asked for my name was when I'd been arrested (which was rarely unjustified as I was a bit of a hooligan at times back in the day). I probably partied like everybody else, I took whatever drugs suited the mood, attended a few protests (got a souvenir riot shield from the poll tax bash in London), went to illegal raves, festivals and often fought in the streets on a Saturday night but I've never once been just stopped and questioned for no good reason.
I'd kind of like it to stay that way.
You are making an assumption that everybody will have phones (or have to have phones) eventually so it is forcing people to have a phone. Electronic is more secure?
IT isn't because it physically stores data making it accessible to all the sources that require access to it for your phone to work.I don;t think I ever knew anyone that had money taken from their bank account before the last decade. Now my wife has twice (she uses a smartphone and debit card everywhere.) My parents and I don't and we never have. Several of my friends have. Never heard of ID theft or money being taken from accounts before the "secure" electronic revolution.
Keys can be stolen. Where from? My pocket? My bedroom when it is night? The inside of my back door if I am home and it isn't night? Phones can get stolen much easier than keys. People don't walk everywhere they go with their keys held up in front of them for the world to see. The same people that don;t have phones can also hear anyone creeping up on them to steal their keys because they haven;t got crappy Beats headphones stopping all that horrible real world noise.
So when you want to buy something does it register your password, fingerprint, facial recognition etc? You trust all that stuff? They may as well tell the hackers to give up then because its all secure now. As secure as the FBI systems, find a new hobby boys.
Nope it isn't on the receiving end. I trust money in my wallet much more than a bleep from a phone accessing a system that you assume is legit and fully locked up from prying eyes getting at your data or cloning stuff.
Your statement of it being more profitable is more globalist speak. Do you think it is more profitable for the corner shop that ends up getting hacked and losing money on that? Corner shops will do it because they don;t want to lose customers. Equally they will take cash because they don't want to lose customers.
Do you never wait in the queue at the Post Office and wonder why so many people go up to the counter, hand over their card and state "can I have it all please?" They want their benefits in cash and take it all out. They don;t pay any bills from the card or over the internet. They do everything cash. The government forced everybody to have a bank account to receive benefits so they have now got bank accounts.........which they empty on the day the money goes in.
I agree with online statements. I have used an online bank since 2000. Not arguing about online statements either. These people aren't interested in bank statements that tell them the money went in last week and straight out on the same day. They have no need for bank services because they withdraw the lot. No coincidence that the Bookies like to setup next to Post Offices now is it? Both my Post Offices have had a bookie move next to them in the last 5 years.
Anyways we are arguing about a pointless thing here. I was merely stating that asking people to pay for and get a phone is the same as asking people to learn to drive and get a licence or to get a passport......just so they have some ID.
So maybe they like to pick on innocent types like me then
although I am no angel. Just saying I never got arrested or saw the inside of the cells or anything like that.
Given the fact that so many people in this country don’t bother to vote, it could be happening and not been discovered. Again, in my view, voting should be mandatory (voters allowed to spoil a vote if they don’t want to nominate a particular candidate) which would mean we get a REAL idea of what the population want. Too much apathy in my opinion.
You don’t need to use a polling card. I have a friend who works as an electoral officer at the polling station and he tells me he’s constantly amazed how people can just turn up and “pick a name” off the list stating that they are that person with no request for proof. Yes, if the real person turns up later there will be an issue, but who knows?
Ummm ..... aren’t paper licences now invalid? Might want to check on that before one of them gets stopped for something. I read somewhere it’s a £1000 fine!
I've still got an old style driving licence - no photo. It's still valid. Anyone who hasn't had to change any of their details and is under 70 will still have one. It was only the paper part of the new licence which was done away with. Luckily I have a passport for photo ID. I made my mother renew her driving licence just so she had some photo id even though she hasn't driven for years. It was free so it seemed silly not to.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance...at-do-paper-licence-holders-need-to-know.html