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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
Uber_Hoop said:
You can be blissfully ignorant of absolutely everything outside of your toilet door
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Very true... and it's why the 'advisory' referendum needs to be decided on the basis of fact not fiction.

We are still yet to hear an actual shred of detail about what Brexit will entail... nearly a year after article 50 was invoked we are no nearer to knowing what Brexit means in practice.

Makes a complete mockery of what people voted for imo* and whatever slogans you or anyone care to throw back until there is substance to the argument it all seems to be steeped in ideology and dogma rather that fact.


*Other opinions may be held
 
Sooperhoop said:
Absolutely. The biggest cheerleaders here who champion the EU are failed politicians who have milked the gravy train both in and beyond the EU. The simplest yardstick of that corrupt organisation is when did they last publish audited accounts? Any other organisation with such a record would have been wound up long ago and perpetrators prosecuted. But far from addressing such a scandal they just want ever more. It's demise can't come soon enough...
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Unlike the biggest cheerleaders for Brexit who are tax exiles, and non-dom press barons...
 
 
Uber_Hoop said:
Forgive me, Paulie, but it would seem to me to be an extremely arrogant position you’re taking in dismissing the UK ‘man on the street’ as ignorant. The wonderful thing about the one man (or woman), one vote democracy (when it comes to a referendum) is that it matters not a jot how clever or ignorant you are as a voter. You can be blissfully ignorant of absolutely everything outside of your toilet door, basking in your own personal bliss, but your vote is every bit as valuable as the clever left-wing academic with a Masters in Condescension.

It doesn’t matter whether a voter understands anything or not. He/she can vote in accordance with whatever limited understanding they have of the world and there’s nowt anybody can do about it.

All this baloney that the voter didn’t understand the question posed at the referendum is just that: baloney. It doesn’t matter. They’re allowed to understand what they want to understand or what their mental capacity allows them to understand.

I fear the Left would have an IQ test for voters.
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I always laugh when DT posts because if his life is so good in France why is he on here all the time? Surely you wouldn't have the time with so much to do?
he spends too much time promoting how good his life is....and we all know the old saying about that.
And before I get the usual suspects (sheep) replying.
I have a holiday home in France which I visit 3 times a year. I enjoy the breaks and get on well with the neighbours. However, Is France as good as the UK? No way, not in a million years. Some fab parts to France and I love the holidays but no comparison to the UK, faults and all.
Good luck to the people who choose to live there. My experience is many of the ones I have met always moan about the UK but come back here all the time to buy things, use medical/dentists. Funnily it's as if they are trying to find something which they could probably find in the UK.
 
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kiwiqpr said:
like richard branson
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Well he's just a massive beardy arse... VirginCare suing the NHS because they ware not awarded a contract - part of the shambolic East Coast rail franchise with Stagecoach that were let off £2bn in payments owed to the taxpayer... he can toddle off back to his fantasy island as far as I'm concerned along with Dyson and all the other 'Great Britons' whose words and actions bear no relation to each other.

Clearly you don't need to be a non-dom tax exile to be in favour of Brexit... but imo it helps.
 
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seagullhoop said:
Makes a complete mockery of what people voted for imo* and whatever slogans you or anyone care to throw back until there is substance to the argument it all seems to be steeped in ideology and dogma rather that fact.

*Other opinions may be held
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I’m intrigued to understand what questions you would’ve put on the referendum paper, Seagull, assuming that you would have to give the voters a ‘stay’ or ‘go’ choice?

For me, the questions were sensibly as simplistic and easy to understand as they could’ve been beyond simply have just ‘stay’ or ‘go’ on the paper and nothing else.

To satisfy everybody, I suppose we could’ve had around 600 individual questions:

(1) Should we remain in the EU?
(2) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 1?
(3) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 2?
(4) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 3?
...
...
...
...
(599) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 598?
(600) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 599?

I guess this would be ideal for Remainer as I’m sure Option 1 would’ve received the most votes.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I’m intrigued to understand what questions you would’ve put on the referendum paper, Seagull, assuming that you would have to give the voters a ‘stay’ or ‘go’ choice?

For me, the questions were sensibly as simplistic and easy to understand as they could’ve been beyond simply have just ‘stay’ or ‘go’ on the paper and nothing else.

To satisfy everybody, I suppose we could’ve had around 600 individual questions:

(1) Should we remain in the EU?
(2) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 1?
(3) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 2?
(4) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 3?
...
...
...
...
(599) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 598?
(600) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 599?

I guess this would be ideal for Remainer as I’m sure Option 1 would’ve received the most votes.
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i quite like scenario 238
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I’m intrigued to understand what questions you would’ve put on the referendum paper, Seagull, assuming that you would have to give the voters a ‘stay’ or ‘go’ choice?

For me, the questions were sensibly as simplistic and easy to understand as they could’ve been beyond simply have just ‘stay’ or ‘go’ on the paper and nothing else.

To satisfy everybody, I suppose we could’ve had around 600 individual questions:

(1) Should we remain in the EU?
(2) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 1?
(3) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 2?
(4) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 3?
...
...
...
...
(599) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 598?
(600) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 599?

I guess this would be ideal for Remainer as I’m sure Option 1 would’ve received the most votes.
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<laugh>
It's just another 'remoaner' excuse. We all knew exactly what we voted for. 'Project fear' gave us enough information regarding leaving. Funnily they predicted immediate doom which never materialized.
It's now just the die-hards that are getting desperate and coming up with any excuse. It really is sad.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I’m intrigued to understand what questions you would’ve put on the referendum paper, Seagull, assuming that you would have to give the voters a ‘stay’ or ‘go’ choice?

For me, the questions were sensibly as simplistic and easy to understand as they could’ve been beyond simply have just ‘stay’ or ‘go’ on the paper and nothing else.

To satisfy everybody, I suppose we could’ve had around 600 individual questions:

(1) Should we remain in the EU?
(2) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 1?
(3) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 2?
(4) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 3?
...
...
...
...
(599) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 598?
(600) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 599?

I guess this would be ideal for Remainer as I’m sure Option 1 would’ve received the most votes.
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Uber_Hoop said:
I’m intrigued to understand what questions you would’ve put on the referendum paper, Seagull, assuming that you would have to give the voters a ‘stay’ or ‘go’ choice?

For me, the questions were sensibly as simplistic and easy to understand as they could’ve been beyond simply have just ‘stay’ or ‘go’ on the paper and nothing else.

To satisfy everybody, I suppose we could’ve had around 600 individual questions:

(1) Should we remain in the EU?
(2) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 1?
(3) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 2?
(4) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 3?
...
...
...
...
(599) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 598?
(600) Should we leave the EU provided we get Scenario 599?

I guess this would be ideal for Remainer as I’m sure Option 1 would’ve received the most votes.
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I think you have just illustrated my point without meaning to - because there was nothing on the ballot paper... nothing offered the time between the referendum and the invoking of article 50 and nothing since - one big fat zero... no detail... not proposals... just lots and lots of hot air and

Remind me again what you all voted for? Because you can't deny that some voted for Norway... some for remaining in the Single Market, some for hard no deal WTO... and some for fewer brown faces, curved bananas, and return to a different coloured passport and a possibly even pounds, shillings and pence.

Blind leading the blind is an understatement. I note your 'scenarios' are equally lacking in detail... why am I not surprised.
 
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seagullhoop said:
I think you have just illustrated my point without meaning to - because there was nothing on the ballot paper... nothing offered the time between the referendum and the invoking of article 50 and nothing since - one big fat zero... no detail... not proposals... just lots and lots of hot air and

Remind me again what you all voted for? Because you can't deny that some voted for Norway... some for remaining in the Single Market, some for hard no deal WTO... and some for fewer brown faces, curved bananas, and return to a different coloured passport and a possibly even pounds, shillings and pence.

Blind leading the blind is an understatement. I note your 'scenarios' are equally lacking in detail... why am I not surprised.
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I voted for the UK to leave the EU. It was a pretty clear question.

I do, however, agree with Hitchens P when he said the a referendum was not the right way to bring this about. The right way would’ve been to have had a properly elected political party campaigning to leave the EU at a General Election. We haven’t got that, but we is where we am.

Scenarios lacking in detail? Do you really think I could be arsed to write 600 scenarios to illustrate a point? I’m far too lazy for that.

So, what are the questions you’d have put on the paper Seagull?
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
I voted for the UK to leave the EU. It was a pretty clear question.

I do, however, agree with Hitchens P when he said the a referendum was not the right way to bring this about. The right way would’ve been to have had a properly elected political party campaigning to leave the EU at a General Election. We haven’t got that, but we is where we am.
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For me, I thought the process was fair and the best way. It was obvious that the losers would not accept the result. However, the continual 'remoaning' has been embarrassing. The close result caused this problem.
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Forgive me, Paulie, but it would seem to me to be an extremely arrogant position you’re taking in dismissing the UK ‘man on the street’ as ignorant. The wonderful thing about the one man (or woman), one vote democracy (when it comes to a referendum) is that it matters not a jot how clever or ignorant you are as a voter. You can be blissfully ignorant of absolutely everything outside of your toilet door, basking in your own personal bliss, but your vote is every bit as valuable as the clever left-wing academic with a Masters in Condescension.

It doesn’t matter whether a voter understands anything or not. He/she can vote in accordance with whatever limited understanding they have of the world and there’s nowt anybody can do about it.

All this baloney that the voter didn’t understand the question posed at the referendum is just that: baloney. It doesn’t matter. They’re allowed to understand what they want to understand or what their mental capacity allows them to understand.

I fear the Left would have an IQ test for voters.
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No
 
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Uber_Hoop said:
Forgive me, Paulie, but it would seem to me to be an extremely arrogant position you’re taking in dismissing the UK ‘man on the street’ as ignorant. The wonderful thing about the one man (or woman), one vote democracy (when it comes to a referendum) is that it matters not a jot how clever or ignorant you are as a voter. You can be blissfully ignorant of absolutely everything outside of your toilet door, basking in your own personal bliss, but your vote is every bit as valuable as the clever left-wing academic with a Masters in Condescension.

It doesn’t matter whether a voter understands anything or not. He/she can vote in accordance with whatever limited understanding they have of the world and there’s nowt anybody can do about it.

All this baloney that the voter didn’t understand the question posed at the referendum is just that: baloney. It doesn’t matter. They’re allowed to understand what they want to understand or what their mental capacity allows them to understand.

I fear the Left would have an IQ test for voters.
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I was basking today I can tell thee ... had my tackle out
Then I drove home from Spain to France along the coast road
Tomorrow I have to return to the U.K. and those men on the street
I feel I deserve two votes because of my Porsche
 
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