Holgate and Firmino incident !

But your bias is telling you it was genuine.

Let's just say it's not beyond the realms of possibility.

 

You might have seen pushes on the pitch that end on the pitch given a yellow, but your talking about a player running at speed pushed over a wall into the laps of supporters that had no chance of evading which ever way the landing took place.

 

What bias? I support neither club

It's not beyond the realms of possibility as is the other side but as it stands there was no evidence of either so declaring he definitely made it up as a lie is the same as declaring Firmino definitely said it no?

Point taken and it was a dangerous thing to do... just saying you can't say with certainty the ref would have sent him off for it.

 

You see them most weeks around the grounds when players are chasing the ball to the goal line to make/stop a cross.

 

Tbh I haven't said Holgate lied, I said it's possible he did because of the severity of his push.

On your second point, if it wasn't a red it had to be at least a yellow then?, but the push wasn't punished at all.

 

Especially in the lower leagues.

 

Yeah I know you haven't mate, and it wasn't you I quoted with the first quote you replied to

I'd say it was a yellow but that doesn't mean I have faith in our incompetent refs to give it... I reckon it probably didn't look as bad on first viewing 'on the ground' so to speak too.

 

Any recent examples to compare?

 

Yeah, but there isnt usually a 6' 2" defender pushing them over the barrier into the seated fans.
If a player ends up in the crowd through his own actions it's an accident, but getting pushed full force in the back isn't an accident.
But you already know that.

 

It happens so much they don't stand out for me anymore.

 

Certainly more evidence than to support the allegation that Bobby said what Holgate conveniently claimed.

 

How do you know if you are not privy to said evidence?

 

Based on what? The fact is none of us know for sure though mate surely?

I agree that the statement could have possibly been worded better though.

 

So that's a no then?

 

Oh behave will you? Go back through the thread and read and see the videos of it: Holgate quite simply got pissed off as Bobby shepherded the ball out and shoved him AFTER the ball had gone out. He wasn't even trying to get to the ball when he did that, and it wasn't a ****ing accident connected with his momentum. Given that, are you SERIOUSLY saying Holgate wasn't aware that his action could seriously injure his opponent? Just what is your definition of a reckless challenge? If Holgate didn't think or wasn't aware his actions were reckless he shouldn't be on a football pitch again, and neither should that coward of a referee.

 

Well just for the sake of argument point one instance from the many times players have been pushed into the crowd out, and don't forget to add whether the offending player was booked or not.

 

The evidence, as you've highlighted it, completely exonerates Firmino as nobody nearby will back up Holgate's claim, and all officials and subsequent examiners have shown that there is no case to answer. The FA, having laid out the evidence so clearly, still feel the need to sum up in their mealy-mouthed way that implies that Firmino is actually guilty, but they couldn't manage to pin it on him.
Terrible mis-handling of the situation - sadly just what we've come to expect from a body that makes up the rules as it goes along, and is more concerned with image and political correctness than justice.

 

Based on the fact that, after a seven week investigation, not one iota of evidence was unearthed to support Holgate's assertion despite the fact that there were nearly 60k people present, numerous microphones and cameras and a ****ing referee standing right in between them.

 

I'm not disputing it was dangerous and agree it was out of frustration he did it... I'm disputing that it's a 'fact' that the ref would have sent him off had it not been for the afters.

 

So that proves beyond doubt that he made it up and it wasn't something that was misheard does it?

I'm not saying I know what happened, I'm saying you can't categorically state either way as we simply don't know.