Holgate and Firmino incident !

Holgate also got what he wanted ,diversion from his shove and what should have been some sort of punishment.

 

TBF if he was banned he could at least claim that's why he's not playing. Now we all know it's just because he's ****.

 

Yup. Red cards galore probably.

Why the FA just couldn't say the bit about we take all accusations seriously but there wasn't any evidence produced outside of the accusation presented and left it at that.

There will always be people on either side will believe what they want no matter the conclusion.

I mean even if Holgate honestly believes he heard it...all the FA had to do was be transparent enough to show Holgate they investigated thoroughly. He can go away disappointed in the outcome but can't say it was a racist cover up.

Would be interesting if they have a clash if Firmino accuses Holgate of calling him a spic etc would we get an investigation with a conclusion worded that way

The FA could muddy a glass of water.....

 

Sure more will come out in the coming days.

If he thought he heard it then it had to be investigated. Both clubs did the right thing and let the FA deal with it.

Some will say it was the right/wrong outcome. Seems they have relied on video evidence and interviews

That’s pushing it a bit.........

 

@PJS - BACK AND BOSSING IT The Derby has been too nice on the pitch recently anyway....

Ding Ding

 

Holgate has his ways of spicing it up. Him against the Southampton strangler will be good.

 

He hasn't played for you since Mangala came in, and Mangala's crap

 

He has shoved Mangala out now.

 

Even if he does (who of us hasn't misheard something) however, when finding out that that nobody else around heard the same (including your friends/colleagues) any decent human being would admit the possibility that they misheard. Thats all it takes, no need for anything else just the possibility that you might have misheard. Hence my earlier post about holgate being a tw@t.

 

I think there is an element of Holgate wanting to hear something.

 

If I were Firmino I'd take it to court with Holgate. There is only evidence he did not say it, and nothing to support Holgate's claim.

It's an open and shut slander case imo because there were witnesses

 

But taking into account if he hadn't heard what he he imagined he did he would have got a red for the push, that's were the doubt about his honesty comes into play, only Holgate knows if he was being genuine and he won't admit he lied(if he did).

 

He was never getting a retrospective red for the dangerous play, the racism claim had already seen to that so why not come out and admit the possibility of mishearing? Because he knows its a lie!

 

B is impossible as Fa make it clear its not the case.

ergo holgate misheard but is so sure of what he heard he will NEVER admit he might have misheard.

 

The FA should have charged Holgate because there were several people close enough to hear the words if they were said, and no one heard, including the ref who was right beside Firmino.

But in the UK you can't charge a black person for false claims of racism, ie slander, thanks to PC.

KIO and Rio Ferdinand would have lost their **** too as well as all the SJW ******s and constant talk about "not believing people" would be abound.

You also have to believe someone was raped, without evidence too apparently

 

full text of statment: where is the 110 page report. we should see the full thing

Following a detailed investigation into an allegation of discriminatory conduct against Liverpool’s Roberto Firmino by Everton’s Mason Holgate, The FA can confirm that it will not be taking any disciplinary action against Firmino.

The decision

Having considered all of the available evidence, we consider it is not sufficient to raise a charge against Firmino.

However, we are completely satisfied that the allegation was made in absolute good faith by Holgate and that there is no suggestion of this being an intentionally false or malicious allegation.

We continue to take all allegations of discrimination extremely seriously and would encourage all participants who believe that they have been the subject of or witness to discriminatory abuse to report this through the appropriate channels. Holgate and Everton followed the proper process by reporting the matter to the match officials at the time and subsequently to The FA.

We receive a significant number of complaints of discrimination in any one season and thoroughly investigate all complaints we receive. Following consideration of all of the evidence received, not all cases will result in a charge being issued.

The investigation

The evidence for the allegation came from Holgate. During a fixture between Liverpool and Everton on 5 January 2018, Holgate alleged that he had heard Firmino use a discriminatory term towards him.

On hearing this, Holgate followed correct procedures by immediately alerting the match referee of the allegation, along with other Everton players who were in close proximity. The incident was formally reported to the match officials following the fixture and subsequently reported to The FA.

We took statements from a total of 12 players and officials from both teams, the match referee and the fourth official. None of these individuals directly heard the words alleged to have been said by Firmino.

Firmino was formally interviewed by The FA and provided an alternative account to the words alleged by Holgate. Firmino stated that he had insulted Holgate in Portuguese, but denied categorically using any discriminatory language towards him.

As part of the investigation, The FA sought the assistance of a Brazilian/Portuguese linguistic specialist on the words alleged. In addition to this, we also obtained multiple angles of video footage, including broadcast and unseen footage showing the incident, which was assessed by two independent Portuguese speaking lip reading experts.

We appreciate that this has been a difficult process for both parties, and would like to express our thanks to Mason Holgate and Roberto Firmino as well as both clubs for their assistance, professionalism and full cooperation during this investigation.

 

"On hearing this, Holgate followed correct procedures by immediately alerting the match referee of the allegation, along with other Everton players who were in close proximity. The incident was formally reported to the match officials following the fixture and subsequently reported to The FA."


False, Holgate immediately started hopping around like a moron for a minute pretending to be angry, then spoke to the ref

 

Regardless of the FA, Holgate is a lying peice of **** who tried to ruin a player's reputation just cos he got done on the touchline a few times.

What a scumbag, the lad is a tramp, a homophobic tramp at that

 

No, I mean if he hadn't made the allegation he'd have got a red, it's only in the "retro" category now because of the allegation and because of the length of time since the incident occured.