This seems very simple to me. if you have a bad product that you are unhappy with, you either refuse to buy it again, or you go the person that sold you the product and complain / protest. Either of those responses is entirely logical To be unhappy with a product but continue to buy it AND not complain / protest in the hope that the product will stop getting worse, is absolutely nuts. Also there is a discussion on here about whether protests will affect the players. I couldn't give a damn about the players here. If they are so out of touch that they don't know why there are protests, then they clearly take no notice of anything that goes on in and around the club. If they are aware of why there are protests, then they should use it to their advantage. They are professionals and should know that this is not aimed at them.
Thst really is far poorer than I expected from you, Ben; I suppose it reflects the futility of your position. I boycotted over the name change and did what I could to fight that - then we won that fight. I took the opportunity to try and understand what these two have evolved into. Their personal characteristics are the same as they have always been, but their flawed name-change forced them to change their strategy; they changed their approach, so did I. Giving or not giving my hard earned to follow Hull City will make no real difference to them, in fact, I believe they would see that as another win (in their eyes), but either way, Ben, it is, in my opinion , futile - just shame them by ignoring them, not meeting with them and do what you enjoy- not what their actions quietly dictate. This is all about Hull City AFC and not the Allams. **** em. Clue: One third of a Latin dance makes you sleepy (5) - he'll no doubt call me a **** soon, if he understands cryptic
Especially the last chapter - the players count for nothing in this, they're employees of Hull City, when the time comes to go they'll go without a backwards glance, we all know that's how it is. It's only fans who've been on the journey, it's only fans opinions that counts.
We won the name change? I think that fight is ongoing. I choose not to give them cash. This has absolutely nothing to do with what affect it will have on them. By giving them your cash you're not ignoring them. It’s an interaction, a personal one. You’re giving the school bullies your dinner money, so to speak. You’re free to do so, I chose not pay for the bully’s dinner. Hull City AFC? Find that phrase in Friday’s programme to remind yourself of the name change victory. You **** ‘em, I fight ‘em.
So the FA agreed to the name-change did they? What's happened since has been dishonesty and manipulation. The fight to have the name and it's variations returned to what we once knew is something different to changing the registered name. When I give them my money I buy a ticket to watch football. The rest of the drama about school bullies is nonsense and all yours - I get the hope of a game of football, you get nothing from a school bully. Come to think of It, you are starting to come across as... What a strange last sentence... ...are you okay? How are you fighting them, Ben; you didn't say?
You think they’re different issues? I don’t. I think dropping concessions is a worse act than proposing the name change. I think they’re bullies, you’re funding them. In what way I coming across as a bully? I take exception to that remark, it’s wrong. I do & have done plenty. I don’t seek attention or praise. The people who matter are aware. If you’re not aware then ...
I get your point, but I think you're not bang on it though. My recollection is that the large majority of comment about protests having an affect on players is based on game time. Disruption of a game does break the momentum of that game; surely that can't be denied. Normal stoppages are free kicks, etc. and these are a part of the routine and focus of a group of players. Their mindset deals with it. Extraordinary stoppages (stress balls, whistles, etc.) are not routine and do break the momentum. It is beyond the routine. It also has different player motivations: subject team thinks 'WTF, this **** again', the opposition thinks, 'breather, let's get at em'. I know it's not a perfect science, and yes, it is the same for both teams, but not too many of our opponents are struggling as badly as we are. If you don't want to win that is your choice and you are entitled to it, but football is a game you play to win - in my book. It's that fundamental foundation of being a football supporter - not wanting or enjoying losing.
I read your post a number of times because I really wanted to agree with your attempt to simplify the current discussion on protests etc. But is it that simple? The ticket price gets you admission only. You are then able to watch the match. That’s it. Yes, there is the opportunity to purchase food, drinks and merchandise but little else. Unless you are a Season Ticket holder you have to pay again for the privilege to watch the next home game. In a normal Club-supporter relationship this interaction is important but where you have owners who do not place the usual value on this transaction you then have a problem. And here it depends on how important financially that support is to the Club. Understanding that the Club appear to have actively considered preventing the sale of home tickets for the forthcoming SU game perhaps it is fairly low down and nowhere near the importance of the PL parachute payments (further indication of how insignificant physical support can be on the balance sheet for any PL and most Championship Clubs). So, yes people can protest but what if the response from the Club was to severely restrict attendance at home games? What then? What if they have decided that preventing supporters from attending games is more likely to hurt those individuals and not them? Heck, if they do not give a fig for the fans, what if this is what they want? Apologies in advance for all of the unanswered questions but the original post really got me thinking. MoH
That's called opinions and I have no problem with that. We're agreed on concessions, I think most folk are; so no hallelujah moment there. I'm buying a football ticket, I get 90 minutes of football in return, I don't buy peripherals. My so-called funding (and anyone else's) is **** all, it won' change their strategy, it won't make them sell any earlier than they wish to. Losing my support (and yours) simply shares in the contempt they have for our history and tradition. Why should they attend and care, when so many so-called ardent supporters don't. You come across as a bully because you target and relentlessly attack posters who you disagree with. You go to great lengths, frequently. You challenged me a number of times to 'do something and tell the world', yet a simple request for you to do the same is met with unsubstantiated nonsense - good for the goose doesn't work for you, Ben. Truth is I couldn't give a ****e what you have or intend to do, that's your business. I am interested in your opinion on this forum and, frankly, having read it for a good few years, you disappoint me. I'm over it, I am happy not mattering...
So, yes people can protest but what if the response from the Club was to severely restrict attendance at home games? What then? What if they have decided that preventing supporters from attending games is more likely to hurt those individuals and not them? Heck, if they do not give a fig for the fans, what if this is what they want? They (Massive and Dense) are looking for any opportunity to blame everyone and anyone but themselves for the mess they have got themselves into and will continue to do so after they have sold up. Fans protesting fits this narrative quite well. If they choose to close the membership till further notice after any protests at the game on Friday, there is very little that anyone could do about that. Saving face has become more important then relatively small amounts of money. As we enter the final stages of the endgame all hope of a win for the owners has evaporated, they are playing for a draw.
Oh dear. Any more than you? There will be no draw. They will win and we (and new owners) will pick up the pieces. The sad thing (as we have said before) is that they could have been much respected, very much richer and we would have been loath to lose them.
The sad thing (as we have said before) is that they could have been much respected, very much richer and we would have been loath to lose them. They could have been much respected, very much richer and we would have been loath to lose them. = They cannot win. If you can dress their situation into a win somehow Mr Fez get in touch with... Massive and Dense c/o The Circle, Hull. No doubt they will be pleased to hear from you and take great comfort from that.
It's all from their perspective, as that's what drives them and what really matters when dealing with them. That's also why distance works best, as there's no point in entering their strange world of concocted nonsense.
Just to clarify, I'm not saying that protests don't have an effect, I'm saying that I don't care if they do. the players should know in advance what will happen - they will be briefed beforehand - and there fore have the chance to prepare. If anything opposition teams may not be prepared, which should give the advantage to our players. But it really doesn't matter to me anyway, there just seem to be a lot of reasons put forward not to protest, which are all based on some form of blackmail - it will make us lose, the owners will lock us out etc Where else on earth would you continue to buy a product after those selling you the product were now attempting to blackmail you if you said that that you were unhappy with their product?
Were any players ready for the stress balls? I wouldn't damage the same product, bought and paid for by other consumers, who are content to use it as intended. Is it the product you don't like, or the manufacturer?
