Exactly. Wenger would wing a couple of seasons, living off the back of what Poch has built up, just as he did at Arsenal, having inherited all the hard work that Graham did.
It's my question so the point can be whatever the **** I want. But I'd agree that Poch's system relies on a certain type of player in each role. But I think he'd work wonders with most of our team. Cech, Bellerin, Mustafi, Kosc, Kolasinac, Mkhi, Ozil, Aubamayang would all do what he wanted with a bit of proper training and man-managenent and adapt their game. They're crying out for proper tactics, gameplans, training. Not sure any manager could cope with the ****e we currently have in centre midfield mind. The spurs squad under Wenger would be entirely relying on managing themselves and remembering what to do. Pretty soon Wenger would **** them up though I'm sure.
It may be that I'm not fully understanding your point but what you do seem to be suggesting is that a large number of your senior squad are objectively top quality players and would shine if only they played under the right manager, and yet there is almost no evidence to support the first of these two claims. Mustafi, Kolasinac, Lacazette and Mkhitaryan are prime examples here. None of them has accomplished anything of note at a top, top level. True, the Armenian had 2 top quality seasons in the Bundesliga but since moving to the more competitive and fast-paced PL has regressed terribly. In his case, the jury is still out on whether or not he can cut it in this league - irrespective of who manages him. As for the others in your list, and I'd add Xhaka to prove my point - there is a reason that not a single big club anywhere in Europe even blinked when you signed them. If the collective scouting teams of United, City, Liverpool, Chelsea and us all decided that Mustafi isn't a very good player, chances are he isn't a good player. Same goes for Lacazette. Tore Ligue 1 to shreds year after year, easily affordable fee and wages wise for a 'top' striker in the current market, yet no-one but yourselves makes a move for him. Why not? To reflect on this from a Spurs perspective, we should've asked the same question when signing Soldado. We didn't, and suffered the consequences. Nothing to do with manager. He simply wasn't good enough for a top 6 PL side. End of. And as for Aubameyang, yes there is a world class talent in there somewhere but you again must ask the question: this is a red-hot striker in his prime years whose club is keen to sell. Where is the global interest? Have the likes of Madrid looked at his temperament and attitude and decided he cannot be relied upon? From my perspective, and I say this without my 'spurs hat' on, your transfer dealings over the past 3-4 years have been nothing less than appalling. What is sad is something I noticed on a rare foray onto your board ahead of today's game; the sheer number of gooners declaring Mikey and Aubameyang 'world class' and 'easily waltz into the spurs xi' was pathetic. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy that we often experience when looking at academy products like Winks. We don't want to believe that he has faults, so we ignore them. Wait until the end of the season to judge whether or not they are in fact 'world class'. Ozil was also 'world class' when he joined you and he has blown hot and cold since. Lacazette was apparently the best thing since sliced bread in August, now his true level of performance has been exposed in a far harder league than he has ever played in. Mkhitaryan was superb for a bit at Dortmund but his performance today was nothing less than I've come to expect from him judging on the past 18 months since he moved to the PL. So your question is pretty much a non-starter, and I think this is what PS was alluding to, for the simple reason that Poch would never, ever have signed most of your squad in the first place.
Let's be clear here. None of your squad have achieved ANYTHING at the highest level. That's not what we're talking about. Anyway, barely anyone posts on the arsenal board so I'd love you to quote the 'sheer number' of posts you've seen saying Mkhi and Auba would be in a combined XI. My question is not about signings. It's about managing what you're given. But anyway, it's getting a bit dull now given all the ways it can be interepreted and it's tough going typing so much on a phone with this borked site. Suffice to say, I don't here is a huge difference in squad ability. Central midfield is the only area Spurs hugely walk away with it. The other three areas, meh, each to their own. The key difference you have is Poch. You have a proper manager. Proper game plans. Proper tactics. Belief. We have none of that. I just wish we had all of that so we could really see what our collection of what surely are vaguely impressive players (on paper) could really do together rather than just base it on hope from their performances separately at previous clubs.
That would depend on how you define 'achievement'. If it is as narrow as major trophies won then you are 100% right - we are long overdue something shiny and to have waited a decade is totally unacceptable. If you expand 'achievement' to mean 'achieve goals set out at the beginning of the season' you'll find that one of our two sides vastly exceeded its goals last season (at least in the league) and the other failed miserably. Signing players who just aren't good enough to help you achieve your goals is the root of the problem. Klopp is a great proof here. I personally don't rate him as a manager. He is far too psyched up and only has one way of playing. Gaping deficiencies in key areas (similar areas to you ironically) and yet he escapes criticism. Why? Because he signed Salah for £20m less than you signed Lacazette. Your problems start way earlier than the training ground. They start with Wenger's idea of recruitment.
Having an embarrassingly low level of expectation based on years of being a **** team isn't a valid way of patting yourself on the back and saying you've achieved something. Poch has been there four years now. Most of your current squad have too. Your manager is light years ahead of ours. If your squad is also light years ahead of ours too, why have you won **** all while we've won three FA cups? We both have innately talented players in our squads. That explains how we've won three cups. You haven't had the the rub of the green in some cases to win a trophy. But that fact still remains... you haven't won a trophy, and that isn't a great validation to the idea your squad is incredibly superior to ours. You're far superior to arsenal because of Poch and having a central midfield that isn't ****e, not your individual players (even though do have one standout one in Kane).
Can I just ask would you really say that Koscielny and Mustafi are on a par with Alderweireld and Vertonghen? Without wishing to sound biased one pair are probably the best in the league (as a pair) and the others aren't and that has been hugely important to us.
The PL : the brutal judge of overseas talent. Those who blow hot and cold, who can be carried in a team of stellar talent, soon get found out. And get bought by Wenger even sooner.
Gotta love the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43017211 Well no, they are currently 3rd and after this weeks round of games could well be 5th. Hardly the best of the rest (unless you are talking about top 4).
Koscielny and Mustafi are individually very talented. Verts and Alde are individually very talented. The spurs pair play in a very effective system with an entire team that helps defend. The arsenal pair are left to their own devices it seems. Give Koscielny and Mustafi to Poch and slot them in and I'd say within a few months spurs would be just as solid.
I don’t think either of them are on the same level personally, Vertonghen has been absolutely superb this season. His speed, reading of the game - and some of his tackling has been game saving. Alderweireld has been recognised as one of the top CB’s in Europe for a while now. If he were to leave, there would be a queue of top clubs vying for his signature.
To be fair to McNumpty, who I detest, he's only making the point that from the 4 clubs behind Citeh, all pretty much on a par now points while, Spurs have the edge. And recent results and performances support that. Chavs are imploding internally, we caned Utd and got the better of the draw at Anfield. May change again over coming weeks, but that's a fair assessment at the moment.
Almost all true although I'd debate whether there's that much difference between them. Any difference is because of Poch's influence which Koscielny and Mustafi would have if they had a manager like him. Stick Alderweireld in the arsenal defence and we'd still have a **** defence conceding every week. And that's because our biggest problems are not individual ability (apart from centre mid)
This is becoming a really futile argument. Arsenal have some decent players under one of the most successful of managers of the modern era. They have also had some domestic cup success that we haven’t. But they have also had access to significantly higher revenues than Spurs over several years to secure the ‘best’ players available. However, despite all that advantage, there isn’t a single serious commentator on the game who would put Arsenal above Spurs over the past 24 months. The bottom line is that if in a hypothetical situation the two squads were put up for auction tomorrow, which players would be snapped up by a club ABOVE them either in domestic or global terms. For Spurs, Lloris, Toby, Jan, Eriksen, Dele, Son & Kane would be targeted for sure. Wanyama, Dier, Sanchez almost certainly. For Arsenal? Well, you can rule out Mikitaryan, Aubameyang and Lacazette as they have all effectively just stepped down. Ozil, Bellerin? Possibly. Same goes for Koscielny, Ramsey & Wilshere, but that is probably being over-generous. Cech might, but only as has been stated previously, Liverpool are in need of a keeper and ether De Gea or Courtois will be at RM next season. Any player at PL level is decent. The difference between the best and the rest is often negligible and influenced by the teams they play in. But that is much more relevant to the ‘2nd tier’ of player - the likes of a Winks or Davies are better players because of the teams and set-ups they play in. I’m biased for sure, but regardless of the silverware, I know which club is in a better state and I’m quite happy with that
Ozil simply is NOT a Poch-type player. He's far too lazy. And whilst he'd improve Mkhi no end, I think he's simply too stupid a player, and would frustrate the Hell out of Poch. He would never have been mugged off into swapping him for our star player.
Ozil is such a talent but he goes missing too often and Pochettino would never put up with that. Like Paulinho he would be gone.
But good enough for Barca!! Says a lot about the relative strengths of the domestic leagues I suppose?
He is a good player like Ozil that's why I picked him to compare but unless they are prepared to work they would not be tolerated at Spurs under MP He values talent but they have to work.
