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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
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  2. Get out

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  1. kiwiqpr

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    Revealed, the 202 nationalities working in the NHS: Government infographic shows breakdown of the 137,000 foreign staff working alongside British doctors and nurses
    • A Parliament report shows there are 976,288 British staff working in the NHS
    • In contrast, just under 62,000 of the staff are nationals of other EU countries
    • Other than Brits, the second-most popular nation working in the NHS is India
    • The report also revealed the amount of foreign staff working in the NHS varies in different parts of the country
    By Stephen Matthews For Mailonline
    Published: 23:22 AEDT, 8 February 2018 | Updated: 05:51 AEDT, 9 February 2018
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    It's well-known that the NHS is reliant on foreign staff.

    And a new infographic, released by a Parliament research group, reveals exactly where the workers in the health service are from.
    The House of Commons Library picture shows there are 976,288 British staff working in the NHS - the equivalent of 87.5 per cent.
    In contrast, 137,000 doctors, nurses and infrastructure staff are nationals of other countries, including just under 62,000 EU nationals - around 5.6 per cent.
    Fears of an NHS staffing crisis have loomed since the historic Brexit vote in June 2016, as the numbers of EU nurses registering to work in the UK plunged.
    But the new report states that the number of 'EU staff has changed little since the referendum'.

    The figures, which are derived from NHS Digital data, also show a breakdown of the 202 nationalities there are working in the health service.
    And they come after US President Donald Trump last week sparked a diplomatic row with Britain after branding the NHS 'broke and not working'.
    Health and Social Care Secretary Jeremy Hunt immediately hit back, saying no-one wants to live in a US-style system where millions have no healthcare cover.
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    The Philippines pipped Ireland into third place, with 15,391 staff compared to the 13,016 that come from the Emerald Isle.
    But the statistics also show there are more workers in the NHS from Sierra Leone than there are from Finland, Austria and Belgium.
    WHAT COUNTRIES DO MOST OF THE STAFF WORKING IN THE NHS COME FROM?
    NHS Digital data shows exactly how many staff from 202 nationalities there are working in the health service. The figures are correct as of September 2017.
    BRITISH 976,288
    INDIAN 18,348
    FILIPINO 15,391
    IRISH 13,016
    POLISH 8,477

    SPANISH 6,781
    PORTUGUESE 6,725
    ITALIAN 6,044
    NIGERIAN 5,405
    ZIMBABWEAN 3,899
    report released yesterday.

    The report also revealed the amount of foreign staff working in the NHS varies in different parts of the country.
    In London, 12 per cent of staff in the NHS are nationals of other EU countries - but in the North East the proportion is as low as two per cent.
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    In London, 12 per cent of staff in the NHS are nationals of other EU countries - but in the North East the proportion is as low as two per cent"
    • Pulse magazine last week that NHS England may have missed its target to recruit 600 GPs from overseas by the end of this financial year.
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      Jeremy Hunt and Donald Trump get into Twitter spat over NHS

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      • The new report shows two African countries, Zimbabwe (3,899) and Nigeria (5,405), were named in the top 10 - more than the 2,040 English-speaking Australians.
        Other than Brits, the second-most popular nationality that is working in the NHS is Indian, with 18,348 staff coming from the vast country.


        But the statistics also show there are more workers in the NHS from Sierra Leone than there are from Finland, Austria and Belgium.

    • Some 503 people from the country on the west coast of Africa work under the NHS, compared to 380 Finns, 359 Belgians and 334 Austrians.
      Three other African nations reported a greater number of staff working in the health service than the three European countries that are all within a three-hour air journey.
      There are 489 workers from Uganda, 469 from Sudan and 465 from Zambia.

    • The data also showed there were fewer Swiss workers, 157, than those from Somalia (253), Cameroon (260), Mauritius (235), Gambia (213) and Malawi (202).

    • Syria, the Middle-Eastern country rocked by a civil war, came in at 72nd on the list of most popular nations working in the health service, with 148.
      While there are also 289 Iraqis and 144 staff from Afghanistan in the NHS, according to the Commons report released yesterday.

    • The report also revealed the amount of foreign staff working in the NHS varies in different parts of the country.

      East the proportion is as low as two per cent
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      There are 37 NHS trusts where over 10 per cent of staff are estimated to be nationals of other European countries, with the majority in the South East or London.
      However, there are 44 trusts where less than two per cent of staff are nationals of other EU countries, with 32 being in the north of England.
      There are 19 NHS trusts where more than a quarter of staff report a non-British nationality, according to the figures.
      A further analysis showed 10 per cent of doctors and seven per cent of nurses are nationals of a country in the EU.
      While 12 per cent of doctors and six per cent of nurses are of Asian descent.
      This is despite fears that foreign doctors are unable to communicate fluently with patients and more likely to investigated for incompetence.
      Reliant on foreign doctors, the NHS has actively targeted them to help plug a staffing shortage that has left it in a crisis.
      More than 40 per cent of doctors in some areas of England trained abroad, a General Medical Council report showed in December.
      The most common countries of origin have historically been India, Pakistan and South Africa but they are increasingly arriving from Spain, Portugal, Greece and Italy.
      Almost 6,000 foreign doctors were hired in 2016, despite the ongoing concerns of language barriers. Another 5,000 doctors are needed to plug the staffing shortage, and NHS bosses are looking overseas to meet its targets.



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    WHAT DID DONALD TRUMP SAY ABOUT THE NHS?
    Donald Trump sparked a fresh diplomatic row with Britain last week after he branded the NHS 'broke and not working'.
    The US President claimed that a major protest about the winter crisis in Britain's hospitals in London at the weekend was a sign it is not a system the US should copy.
    His remarks sparked a furious response from Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt who hit back saying no one wants to live in a US-style system where millions have no healthcare cover.
    The barb is the latest in a series of spats with the UK which Mr Trump has sparked on Twitter.
    Last year after he retweeted anti-Muslim propaganda from a far right group Britain First and criticised the UK's record on terrorism on Twitter.
    And it comes just over a week after the US President and Theresa May insisted they had patched things up during a meeting at Davos.
    Mr Trump is expected to make his first visit to the UK this July and is already likely to be met with some of the biggest protests the country has ever seen.
    He has already postponed his state visit amid fears it would be overshadowed by angry demonstrations.
     
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  2. Stroller

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    What is your point?
     
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    Two British men believed to be members of a notorious Islamic State group (IS) cell have been seized by Syrian Kurdish fighters, US officials say.
    Alexanda Kotey, 34, and El Shafee Elsheikh, 29, were the last two members of the cell to remain at large.
    The four, all from London, were nicknamed "the Beatles" because of their British accents.
    US officials said the "execution cell" had beheaded more than 27 Western hostages and tortured many more.

    Breaking news

    Jeremy Corbyn saddened by their capture and demands they are released immediately.
    Diane Abbott asks what happened to the other 7 beatles?
     
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    What is your point?
     
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    whats your point kiwi
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    ****ed if i know
     
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    Where do you stand on referendums?
     
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    You’ve asked me that before. I don’t like them at all, whatever the outcome, whatever the issue.
     
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    Is that because, in your opinion, the public are generally too thick to make a decision?
     
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    The thing about a referendum is if the politicians don’t like the result they ask for another ... ask the Scots and anti-Brexit brigade!
     
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    As much as I endorse the effort and passion of the people on the ground inside the NHS

    It’s not working and will always be a mis managed balls up imo

    It certainly is way behind many other countries yet we are fed rubbish that it’s the best in the world and the fools suck it in

    Trump correct and honest imo
     
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    So you don't think the electorate should have been asked in 1975 whether it supported continued membership of the Common Market?
     
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    No he is blaming Brexit.
     
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    Didn't they just get a yes and No vote in 1975? If so then all these remainers can stop crying.
     
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    I don't have enough faith in politicians to rule out referendums, Ellers. MP's tend to chicken out of difficult decisions and/or take those positions that support the elite.

    I'd have a referendum on assisted suicides tomorrow. The majority of doctors are in favour now. The politicians all have their heads in the sand like a bunch of ostriches.
     
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    No
    no I don’t think we should have had a referendum in 1975
     
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    Then despite the fact that you seem to have contempt for many of them (not unreasonably, in my view), you place a lot of faith in politicians
     
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    Very simplistic and easy to blame mismanagement for all the woes of the NHS.
    I’m not saying it might not play some part but from my first hand experience this week on placement, I would say the major factor is an ageing population that just need care and support.
     
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  18. Stroller

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    The vote in 1975 was carried by 67-33, so much less contentious. Even so, the losers spent the next 40 years moaning about it.
     
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    An honest question....and if you’re old enough to remember you might be able to honestly answer...
    Did the losers of the 1975 referendum really whine and complain as much as the losers of today ?
    I was too young to remember.
     
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    I'm certainly old enough to remember (I was 21), but I honestly don't. The fact that I don't remember probably means that there was less bitterness back then, but that might well have been because the result was so clear cut. Don't forget that Nigel Farage, when he thought he was going to lose in 2016, said that a 52-48 result would be 'unfinished business'.
     
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