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  1. Rocky blue army

    Rocky blue army Well-Known Member

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    How about if the defender has a red shirt on just give us the penalty whether it be Liverpool or the goons <whistle>
     
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  2. <applause>
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    I think that's intentional. It's quite hard to mechanically detail what a foul is in a lot of cases.
    There's quite a fine line between physical but fair football and crossing over into an actual offence.
    Vardy intentionally blurs it, effectively committing a foul himself and trying to make it appear that he's been the victim.

    Here's one of his most obvious examples:

    Steps across, initiates contact, draws one leg into the other and crumbles.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

    PowerSpurs Well-Known Member

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    In that clip there is a clear foul right at the start because the ball isn't within playing distance.....but the rest is a good illustration of simulation.
     
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  5. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Clattenburg gave it as a penalty, of course. The score was 3-1 to Utd at the time. Leicester won 5-3.
     
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  7. Yeah, that's more like the kind of thing that Poch needs to get Alli doing!
     
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  8. The RDBD

    The RDBD Well-Known Member

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    At least we now know why he needed a
    hefty wage increase. WTF is Ozils' excuse ??
     
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  9. Blue and White

    Blue and White Well-Known Member

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    From BBC:

    In the meantime, while we wait for Pochettino, Manchester United's latest financial results have been announced.

    The club has recorded a second-quarter loss - but it will not affect them in terms of competitiveness or financial fair play.

    The Red Devils continue to expect revenues for fiscal 2018 to be between £575m and £585m - the third successive year they will earn more than half a billion pounds.

    Revenue for the second quarter is up four per cent to £163.9m, but the accounts show a £29m loss for the period. Wages have increased by 9.4% to £69.6m.
     
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  10. deedub93

    deedub93 Well-Known Member

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    Wait until they add Dirty Sanchez's wages to that.
     
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  11. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    Me too but.....[I hate that I'm going to make this point, however, that's not going to stop me] when we play European or International teams, the English game is so far out of step with foreign officials that it's hard to compete.

    I recall an away game to Leverkeusen when their players would drop to the floor, crying as if seriously hurt, when there was no Spurs player anywhere near them. It drew a foul every time. When we play Juve, do we expect that they will be vilified for diving, shirt-pulling, raking studs down the achilles, etc.? The German national team are very skilled in exploiting situations by 'going down easy'. In Madrid, Tony Kroos flopped to the floor for a penalty, without being touched and nobody cared.

    Michael Owen dives over Mauricio Pochettino's leg in 2002 and is a national hero. I'm against cheating and Dele needs to reign it in but every team has had a player that takes the piss. Not every team prints T-Shirts about it.
     
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  12. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Of course Wenger has decided to weigh in, pointing to Alli and Sterling while calling English players the new masters of diving.

    New masters? Did he somehow forget the frontline seat he had for the likes of Paul Scholes, Michael Owen, Alan Shearer and David Beckham a couple of decades ago? Or how many free kicks and penalties the likes of Ashley Cole and Theo Walcott earned for him over the years?
     
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  13. Citizen Kane

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    Where's that clip of Pires when you need it?
     
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  14. The RDBD

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    1. The implication is that foreign players were the old masters.

    2. Some hack should have asked Wenger if his squads ever
    contained any of said old masters.
     
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  15. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    You'll believe a Gooner can fly....

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    Not the Portsmouth game but fun nonetheless. Fabulous commentary.
     
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  16. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The ref for our victory over Real Madrid in the Champions League was Turkish and he didn't fall for their ****, for the most part.
    They were free to go to ground, roll around and scream as much as they liked, but he just stuck with giving decisions and ignoring them.
    He had a pretty good game, in my opinion. He was also the ref in Leverkusen last season, when he was far more easily influenced.

    It's often hard to judge these officials and I think that we need to scout them as if they're an opposition team or player.
    What do they tend to give out cards for, how quickly do they do it and how likely are they to send players off?
    Do they come down hard on players going to ground for tackles, bring the cards out instantly for challenges for behind or lay off the cautions completely?
    It's a game in itself.
     
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  17. redwhiteandermblue

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    There's also a pragmatic standard available. By that one, players should cultivate a good reputation so officials will give them the benefit of the doubt.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    That reputation is based on two factors
    i. Which shirt are they wearing at the exact moment of the potential incident?
    ii. Are they the England captain?

    If the answers to the questions are (respectively) Manchester United/Liverpool/Chelsea/This Season's Media Darlings and "Yes", there was no incident because that player is one of the Premier League's Good Boys.
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Is he the anti-Juande Ramos?
     
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  20. "Thanks for that Brian"

    "Thanks for that Brian" Well-Known Member

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    Sir Ferguson intimidated officials, declined to allow certain officials to referee games involving United, said what he wanted, did as he chose and 'the powers that' be and journo's lapped it up. If anyone wrote something that he didn't like or the BBC exposed his son, you just got banned from United premises.

    They're all a bunch of ball kissing bastards afraid that they'll have their snouts removed from the trough.
     
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