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The revolution has begun at Arsenal

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  1. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    white_gunner Well-Known Member

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    I dont believe it at all; a bit early for talk about a revolution. We still need to sign defenders and midfielders in the summer.

    and we need to STOP ending transfer windows in profit. We still have not 'spent any money' on transfers IMO...
     
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  3. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Revolution in terms of transfers which I'm a lot happier about. But the real bit of revolution is to get rid of the main man, Wenger., otherwise we'll be saying the exact same things next season.

    In true French Revolution, send him to the guillotine!
     
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  4. ToledoTrumpton

    ToledoTrumpton Well-Known Member

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    A bit extreme. Even I said a year ago that I thought his time was up, but if I am honest, I don't think we would have got Aubameyang, Ozil or Mhkitaryan without him.

    Most other teams are amazed that we are attracting these players without even having CL football. Quite frankly, these players need to start playing. At some point they need to shoulder some responsibility. If they came to Arsenal because Wenger is here, they need to stop making him look so bad.
     
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    I think we are still attracting top players because we can offer them good money and an opportunity to live in London
     
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    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    NLDISRED hit it on the head. We offered them huge amounts of money and a great place to play it in. Wenger had that draw once upon a time but his best days are well past it. Let's not fool ourselves that these players aren't coming for the money. I'm sure Ozil getting paid a ludicrous £350k a week wasn't part of his unwavering loyalty to stay with us.

    We are big time, in terms of how much we can offer players, that's what the main driving force was bringing Auba to us, not what Wenger did back in the good ok days.
     
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    “He (Alexis) often forgets that football is a team game, even in training he would become selfish & turn in to a child when things didn't go his way, Jack stood up to him and in the end, the boss & Arsenal sold him to keep harmony there. He was toxic.” - Theo Walcott.

    Thought that was a very interesting quote from Theo.
     
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  8. Diego

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    Since he left Ozil has looked a lot happier and signed his contract.
    I hope Jose doesn't let that kind of **** happen, I doubt he will though.
     
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    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

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    Hate to break it to you - but this isn't a real quote.

    It was doing the rounds on Twitter, but there's no source and even journalists are confused as to where this has come from.
     
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    Could possibly be the whopping £350k a week we are offering?
     
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    So like most of the football 'journalism' doing the rounds these days then.<laugh>
     
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    I think it was obvious there had become a rift between Sanchez and some other players. You could see it during games with the way they responded to each other.
     
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    Ozil always maintained he wanted to stay at Arsenal but that it was left to the club and his representatives to sort out the deal.
     
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    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    He may have wanted to stay but if we refused the huge pay rise, he would have inevitably left. That is a whopping double increase from an already huge wage. It's hard to cite loyalty when he holds all the cards and just got a huge increase in wages.
     
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    no doubt he wanted to stay. 350k benajmins and playing under wenger who will let him do what he wants.
     
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    I just love the way anything negative that happens in the Transfer market is all Wenger's fault, yet anything positive is nothing to do with him. It is a really bizarre fantasy that the Wenger Out brigade all share.

    I would really love to see the back of Wenger if I thought the blame culture at Arsenal would go with him, but I suspect without him as a lightning rod for the team, it will just get a lot worse.
     
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    i think it's because over the years we've seen Wenger come out with no money in the market (whether that's him or gazidis who knows) and it always seems he doesn't choose the money. You look at who he has bought and whats happened every winter/summer window.

    Even last summer, he spent big on lacazette and did nothing else except kolasinac on a free.

    This january after you've hired this new guy presumably just for transfers (in the you didn't have a transfer guy), you've already done more this window than any other.

    You've released the deadwood - wally, coquelin, Debuchy and bought in auba who wenger didnt consider in the summer (not counting mkhi sanchez swap, best of both worlds for both clubs) and ozil signs up when he hadn't signed in that year and half since negotiations started.

    Coincidence?

    As for the last part on the blame culture. There will always be someone who is the scapegoat if you don't win anything because thats the nature of some people
     
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    Well I agree with the first part of that. I do think Minslata has changed things at Arsenal but I also dont believe they are signing players without the managers blessing.

    John Cross actually wrote an article for the Mirror which I thought was spot on:

    Here's an excerpt..

    “What is interesting in what’s changed in the dynamic on transfers is they’ve got the former chief scout from Borussia Dortmund as their head of recruitment, and surprise surprise his first major hits are with former Dortmund players who he’s got a connection with - Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan.

    “But there’s no way you’ll convince me that Wenger wouldn’t have given the green light to those players.

    “What is interesting to me is that he definitely wanted Mkhitaryan. He wanted Mkhitaryan with him two years ago. He absolutely loves the player.

    “What is [also] interesting is that Aubameyang is so not a typical Wenger signing in that basically he’ll be 29 this summer, he’s got a bit of a bad boy reputation, and he’s expensive no matter what he says about him proving to be a bargain.

    “I just think in years gone by Wenger would have said ‘no we can’t do that one, that’s not common sense, particularly as we’ve got Lacazette, we don’t want to block him’.

    “What has changed in my view is that it is no longer him feeling that complete responsibility if a signing goes wrong. So he’s waved it through and said ‘yes I’ll have that because I like Aubameyang’, and he loves Aubameyang.

    “It’s got every chance of being a different team, a new generation, he’s built about five or six different teams at Arsenal.

    “The one thing he hasn’t done is strengthen the defence and I think that will come back to bite him this season.”
     
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    Except we have won quite a lot lately; 3 cups in 4 years, but they are the wrong sort of win. I have to be honest, I never thought it was about trophies at all. If we were winning all over the place people would be complaining about the style of football or ticket prices or something.

    We live in a victim culture and Arsenal fans want to be victims because it makes them more noble. I had to do some soul searching with the refereeing, because victim culture is very seductive, and I had to adjust my thinking.

    It really will help your mental health if you stop thinking that you are some oppressed victim of Evil Wenger or Evil Kronke. They want to win just as much as everyone else, and they are trying their hardest as are all the players, and they are good at what they do.

    Winning is difficult, Ask Spurs fans.:emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    This is just non-sense.

    Absolutely it has to do with winning. You just have to see how different these boards are after a big win.
    Arsenal have been in a perpetual cycle of mediocrity for the last 15 years. Selling our best players, failing at the same point in the Season year on year.

    Maybe your not old enough to remember or never went to Arsenal games pre 2005 but let me tell you back when we were winning the league the fans were ALOT happier.
     
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