Many of the forecasts you have based your lack of confidence in Brexit on have proved to be utterly false. I know you are desperate to cling onto every bit of negative news you can. The UK has continued to out perform on all previous forecasts. Growth upgraded, employment up, unemployment down and Sterling continuing to recover against the US dollar.
That was not the question was it. It might help if the government could agree what they want then we could revisit the forecasts.
I read somewhere that the government / civil service recognised the inadequacy of their previous modelling and have totally revised the basis making it far better. I know that nothing will convince people who want a different result that the models could be accurate but that is to be expected. If I were a died in the wool brexiter I would not want to believe bad forecasts either
Unfortunately at this stage there are far too many variables for any forecasts to claim any degree of accuracy. I am reasonably pleased with the current UK statistics compared to the dire project fear forecasts. I am firmly in the position of a decision to leave has been made, let's make the best job of Brexit we can. Nobody should have expected less than a turbulent ride, bring it on Barney.
We should just turn the civil service over to hard Brexiters and let them produce forecasts, set up new policies for farming, fisheries, and trade etc etc, negotiate the terms of our exit and then see where it gets them and what the real figures look like in 2 years time. After all - they can all do better than those of us trying to do the frigging job... They make it sound so easy you'd think they had done it before
economic forecasts are as difficult if not more so than weather forecasts. You can expect little real accuracy from either. However when a raft of forecasts all point in the same direction then you either have to assume they are rigged (as does JRM) or there is a degree of accuracy in them. As I am not in favour of conspiracy theories I take them as the best that can be produced. As brexit had other factors than economics I would expect brexiters to accept that economics was their Achilies heel and say so what - there are other considerations rather than fight against it. At the end of the day nobody will ever be able to compare what happens with what would have happened so you are correct. The position should be to devise whatever policy is best for the UK.
My feeling at the moment is that this latest outburst has little to do with economic forecasts. It is an attempt to destabilize the current government. It looks very much that the right wing Tories know that the argument is being lost and are making a last desperate attempt to swing the pendulum the other way. Today the news broke nationally that my old county Northamptonshire is on it's knees through lack of central government funding. As a Tory run council they have been prudent in their spending, yet the cuts have made it impossible to carry on. How many more are to follow? Given that even the Brexit websites warn against dropping out of the single market and customs union, reverting to WTO rules, if the Rees-Hogg ideas came about, what would it do for councils the length of the land?
Britain considers giving EU 'oversight' of UK borders for market access after Brexit. As one might expect the above headline has thrown the Brexiteers into a foaming rush of anti-government invective. If you think about it, out sourcing is a preferred method of operation for this government, so why not outsource customs and immigration control, and just pay the EU for the work they do for us? Holland has been preparing for customs controls on their borders with the training of an extra 3,000 staff. Rotterdam is going to spend millions of euros to fence off UK traffic. France has been exploring what extra space is required at Calais to accommodate the lorries that will be held for inspection. Just what is being done in the UK.? Do we see extra staff being employed? Do we see land being the subject of planning permissions? Nothing is happening. One can only assume that either we are prepared to pay into the EU funds to have them carry out the work for us, or we intend to remain in the customs union. The headline comes from one of the comics that SH likes to quote.
It was necessary to say where it came from. Seeing as that publication is frequently quoted by SH it seemed fair comment.
But it was a wind up and seeing as he gets criticised all the time for it, it seems to me unnecessary to try to provoke him, especially from a Mod. Your call.
Unfortunately Art, SH has prolifically caricatured the Labour party, Corbyn, the Green Party ... you name it... anything that does not fit for him. Incidentally i did a week sailing course a few years ago and in my boat was a sub-editor of the Sun...... when I finally got round to talking with him about said employment he described the Sun as a comic.. .we actually had quite a good week! However i think we should really try and hold a line here on etiquette and see if we can all keep to it...
I think my history with SH shows I am well aware of how he has posted. However if we do not like something then should we do it ourselves? I cannot believe that SH will ignore a provocation. I would describe the Sun - Mail and a few other papers as worse than comics but it was not the description I questioned. Your point on etiquette is well made - I somehow remember at one time creating a thread on it - that led to my giving up on here for a year. Do as you would be done by rather than be done by as you did Since returning there have been more than a few posts by more than one person that I might wonder about - but am trying generally to answer points made - however well or badly made or argued - and not engaging on the poster. It may or may not work. I am not known for a long fuse and would not consider myself in the top half of perfect people.
Yes I was hoping that we might get a reaction about the item. It was essentially about out sourcing and just how far this is a good idea. Having tried to obtain some original thinking, I along with others have found it frustrating in the extreme that you ask a question and never get an answer. I cannot put him on ignore as others can, just keep plugging away that one day there will be a question that raises some doubt and we will see some comment that doesn't rely on stock soundbites.
Nigel Farage seemed to gain a lot of support from Brexiteers for describing Barack Obama as a loathsome creature when he set out the USA's view on our referendum. I think the line was something about keeping his nose out of UK politics. The same Mr Farage has been in Ireland telling them that they should now leave as well. Is it OK for us, especially those with personal links to the Emerald Isle, to respectfully suggest that he follows his own advice?
You have been proved wrong on all of your project fear anti UK predictions, the postings with no original thinking just scare stories lifted from the Guardian. As part of the clique you have proved to be an utterly useless moderator. This will be my last post. COYH's
If so perhaps things will calm down a little here.............. Perhaps those that remain ( ) can be a little kinder to each other...
I'd prefer he kept posting on here and all the other Brexiters did too. No point in having a debate without both sides
I don't think anyone disagrees.... but being abusive and winding people up is not the way to do it....I think also there is a range of views and it is not good to polarize and stereotype
