The Politics Thread

It's similar to a few years ago when white people were telling Native Americans to be offended that there's an NFL team called the Washington Redskins - to which the Native American community said that was hardly the worst thing to happen to them in the past 200 years and they, frankly, couldn't give a ****.

 

I’ll give the same reply I gave to Saxton on the PL Board.
Why couldn’t you get a job as a ‘grid girl’. What qualifications do they have that you couldn’t match.
There is a difference between women choosing to use their looks to make money and these sorts of jobs.

 

Nothing better than watching those "complaining women" knocking back the guiness. Who wants to look at gorgeous young ladies anyway.......?

 

The phrase "being offended on other peoples' behalf"
applies, regardless of the rights and wrongs,

I guess cycling will be next on the "dolly bird" hit list.

 

1. Trump wreck.
2. Republican train wreck.
3. ?

 

But why should these girls have their livelihood taken away? They earn very good money, up to £100 an hour I am reliably informed. Why are they being penalised for being beautiful and being able to smile. Life is what it is. Some of us have been gifted with a brain that lends itself to science or engineering, and earn good money to boot. Others have been gifted with artistic or musical talent but don't get stopped working because someone doesn't like their music or art. These girls have been gifted with good looks and should be allowed to use their gift, in order to secure their financial future. They are not being forced to do it, it is their choice.

Sounds to me like a lot of bitchy jealousness. Some of these feminists need to learn to smile, get on with their own lives and let others lead theirs. Any attempt to curtail someone's right to work is an attack on personal freedom.

 

You are assuming they are losing their jobs because of feminist jealousy. I think it’s more market forces in that it has suddenly occurred to the promoters that they are losing more punters by having them than they are gaining. Surely the number of people who watch motor sport because of the grid girls is almost zero. The number who wouldn’t watch because of them is probably slightly higher. What is the business case?

 

I doubt if too many feminists currently watch motor sport or that large tranches of feminists will start attending the Le Mans 24 hour race because grid girls have been banned. But to answer your question, from a business point of view, the grid girls generally carry sponsors logo's etc. These pretty girls are there to catch the punters eye, and then the sponsors, who pay for the girls directly or indirectly, get exposure for their products. Watching a grid full of stationery, highly tuned racing cars is not very exciting, so the grid girls are a welcome distraction and an opportunity for sponsorship. Clowns or acrobats carrying sponsors logos would also be a welcome distraction, but they might struggle to hold an umbrella still long enough. It's called commerce, capitalism, whatever you like and it contributes, in it's own small way, to the economy. That is the business sense and justification for it.

How far is this political correct claptrap nonsense going to go? Say for instance Samsung came along and offered Spurs half a billion dollars sponsorship over the next 10 years for the naming rights of the new White Hart Lane, would Levy be right to turn it down because Samsung make smartphones and with a smartphone and an internet connection one can down-load pictures of naked women? I don't think so, it would go a long way to pay for the stadium. How far is internet censorship away? There are already people out there calling for the web to be censored. Where are we going? Where will it end? How long will it be before a choice of clothing is banned and everyone has to wear bog-standard Chairman Mao style uniforms, or even worse women have to wear burkas, and anyone who fails to is locked up? More restriction means less freedom.

I support freedom of choice, freedom to vote or not to vote, freedom to work, freedom of speech, freedom to worship or not to worship, freedom to smoke what you want, economic freedom and freedom to express or portray ones self as one choses. Some really straight boring people didn't like punks, it's fortunate they were around in 76 because if it was now, I am sure there would be moves to ban them.

This ridiculous decision to do away with grid girls to appease a few feminists who hold extreme views beggars belief. For feks sake, they don't have to watch it if they don't want to, just as people didn't have to go to a punk rock gig in the 70's if they didn't want to. Almost all motor sport is on pay per view television nowadays so it is not exactly rammed down their throat. Live and let live I say.

 

You'll have to start at the beginning for me?
What legimate objection can there be to what these girls do (did)?

 

Any evidence to support this?

 

I pretty much agree with all this but nobody has banned grid girls. The F1 owners have decided not to use them. Do you really think they are running scared of a bunch of feminists?
I’m quite surprised they have not gone down a route of hiring both men and women to look after the sponsors.

 

Only that the F1 owners have decided not to continue with them.

 

I don’t have an objection to what they do. I can’t see how the hiring process can possibly be anything other than sexual discrimination though as I can’t see any part of their role that requires them to be a woman yet 100% of them seem to be female.

 

That says nothing about your claims, though. The F1 owners have made this decision based on pressure put on their sponsors.
The reaction from the boxing world is something of a giveaway, in my opinion.
They've decided to stick with ring girls for now, unless a broadcaster objects to that decision, according to Hearn.

I sincerely doubt that there are significant numbers of F1, darts and boxing fans that have a problem with these jobs.
It's largely people from outside pressure groups complaining about something that doesn't affect them.

Anyone that's read my opinions on this thread will see what my political beliefs are.
I'm consistently pro-equality and anti-discrimination, as well as being pretty left-wing on most issues.
This is not about equality or discrimination, in my opinion.

 

I believe that is there may be some previous in F1 that,
although perhaps not at the PR disaster level of that
charity do the other week, has meant the F1 head
honchos thought : cut loose before we get dragged into it.

 

I think anyone applying for a job as a walk on girl who wasn't female should expect to be disappointed
Although these girls weren't employed. They are freelance models paid to do an engagement - no different to walking down a catwalk or acting as hostesses etc.
I really struggle to understand the objections the objectors do have. Feminists were telling us that Spice Girls flouncing around in skimpy outfits whilst singing trivial songs was empowering women - "Girl Power", apparently.
Walk on girls adding some glamour and interest to the spectacle of darts is degrading and offensive.
Go figure

 

Great Rock n Roll swindle part II.

 

Without the tunes

 

Isn’t the difference who decides about the costume? If a woman wants to wear a skimpy outfit then fine. If she is required to wear one to perform duties for which the costume is irrelevant then that doesn’t seem right to me.

 

Their entire role requires them to be a woman, as they're basically there to add to the glamour component of F1.
There are already (debatably) attractive men, money, expensive booze and cars at some snazzy locations.
It's also a sport (?) where the vast majority of those that follow it are male. Sex sells.