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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. QPR999

    QPR999 Well-Known Member
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    I've heard that he was a big fan of Christopher Hitchens which would explain a lot of it.
     
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    Sometimes these academics go OTT. I once had a Philosophy lecture and this woman spoke for 5 minutes about walking a dog, you couldn't understand her. I found her a bit pretentious. I sat back and thought WTF! Seriously the last thing I thought she was talking about was walking a dog.
    I will see if I can find the video and post it. See what others think.
     
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    Interesting bloke, I’ll investigate further, haven’t seen him in action. But from what I have read so far he is clearly very clever and a skilled debater. He is also a passionate anti Marxist (which he cloaks as anti totalitarian) and has an ambivalent attitude towards God - claiming to be a Christian in 2016, and saying that officially he doesn’t believe in God but fears that it might exist this month. Given Hitchens’ fairly clear position on God and the fact that he remained a Marxist in the sense of following Marx’s interpretation of history, his admiration of Hitchens might be about his fearlessness and willingness to challenge the status quo rather than his beliefs. Peterson also allegedly admires Taoism, which brackets him with John Gray who is rather odious.

    I suspect I will like some of his opinions but not all of them. He certainly has a good point on the anti free thought tendency in academia, but anyone who publishes books called ‘12 Rules for Life’ immediately raises suspicions in me.

    I’ll be back when I watched a bit of him.

    Yeah, really interesting bloke. As suspected a lot there that resonates with me, especially on freedom of speech, and Kathy Newman was deeply out of her league, deserved a kicking, but probably not the on line abuse she is taking. Also a lot that I’m not sure of, especially his very dark view of human nature which is derived from his interpretation of Nietzsche and Dostoyevsky and he thinks is only held in check by the culture of Christianity. He’s very ambivalent about his own beliefs in different interviews/ statements. Can’t say I like him much, but will view more because he is certainly thought provoking and would destroy me in any debate.

    Here are his 12 Rules for Life. I suspect that you have to read the book to get them, especially the last two.

    Peterson’s 12 rules

    Rule 1 Stand up straight with your shoulders back

    Rule 2 Treat yourself like you would someone you are responsible for helping

    Rule 3 Make friends with people who want the best for you

    Rule 4 Compare yourself with who you were yesterday, not with who someone else is today

    Rule 5 Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them

    Rule 6 Set your house in perfect order before you criticise the world

    Rule 7 Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)

    Rule 8 Tell the truth – or, at least, don’t lie

    Rule 9 Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t

    Rule 10 Be precise in your speech

    Rule 11 Do not bother children when they are skate-boarding

    Rule 12 Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street

    Thanks for posting Ninesey.
     
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  4. kiwiqpr

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    Always pet cats stan
     
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    I’m a dog man, mate.
     
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    If it helps, I’m rather partial to pussy and some doggy.
     
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    Probably best to stay away from stray dogs
     
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    I love it when we talk philosophy Ubes.
     
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    I try.
     
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    At the same time as a leaked government document reveals that any kind of Brexit will make the UK worse off for 15 years, but that a no-deal Brexit (telling 'em to **** off) would have by far the greatest negative impact, these people - led by Jacob Rees-Mogg - are pushing hard for just such an outcome, with four ministers allegedly breaching the ministerial code in doing so.....

    https://opendemocracy.net/uk/adam-ramsay/tory-ministers-taxpayer-cash-hard-Brexit-erg
     
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  11. Lawrence Jacoby

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    Hope they do feel betrayed after 48% didn’t want it and the 52% that did had no idea what they wanted nor do they now.

    It can’t be done the way fools want it to be done ... never could and the 52% were told that at the time. It’s all about the 52% getting used to that. Telling them to F off blaming Johnny Foreigners for everything was never going to work ... get used to it mate
     
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    Like the 48% knew all about the EU? Yeah right. The EU is like a gym. It may have been a good idea at the time but after a while you get nothing from it and still end up paying for a membership when you don't even need it.
     
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    I am not even going to take the bait on this news. A load of civil servants that are trying a last-ditch attempt to derail the will of the people. It's a non-starter. In fact Rees-Mogg made the Sky girl look out of her depth today.
     
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    Says the man with bitter experience of the gym (I am in that group too)

    The forecasts can be ignored, they go 15 years out, no economic model can have any degree of certainty on those timescales. How many predicted the 2008 crash even two years before, let alone in 1993. Except Vince Cable of course, but he forgot to tell anyone until after it happened.

    The European Research Group rivals Momentum in its sinister-ness, but seems to be a much more exclusive club. **** ‘em all, self interest is their only motivation.
     
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    You're assuming the 48% knew why they didn't want it.
     
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    The EU is not like a gym
    The U.K. had an excellent deal now we will be standing on our own and that’s unknown and with a divided nation it looks difficult
     
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    They wanted to remain and stay as we were
    There was nothing new to know
    And when the Brexit fools started spreading a load of cobblers they I believe knew they didn’t want that.... it was lucky the Cons had such an idiot in Cameron to cock it all up

    Still the Cons aren’t doing a bad job of wrecking the country now and the alternative is even worse imo. Needs a proper left wing party in and that won’t happen in my lifetime

    It’s rubbish
     
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    They can't get one year forecasts right. Both sides continuing the same old same old. The more I see of all involved in this makes me wonder what we've done to deserve such a bunch of self-serving c*nts, the EU, our politicians and, perhaps worst of all our civil servants...
     
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    I think Hitchens is the antithesis of Peterson and would've loved to see the pair of them debate. Hitchens would probably wipe the floor with him. Sadly we'll never find out.
     
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    That would be fun. Hitchens always looked like he enjoyed the debate, Peterson (I’ve looked at quite a few videos now) seems quite stressed and angry, very loud voice, virtually no humour. But I don’t think he can be pigeonholed as common or garden alt right intellectual, lot more to him than that. Good for a jaded old git like me to hear a different voice occasionally.
     
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