Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

perhaps but my point is valid. try and win, that's the mentality we need... not oh its the fa cup i can piss about in this game it doesn't matter.

If matip did that flicked clearance attempt in the league or under a manager of yesteryear (say even rafa) he's not be seen again.

 

The number are correct for the final. The total income from all rounds is about 2 times higher.

For a PL team to win the FA cup they need to win 6 games, of which typically 2 or 3 are against other PL teams.

 

This is a different argument to the one I was having, and that you quoted me on. You're hijacking the argument to have a moan about our FA Cup performance.
I was responding to the claim that the only reason to to be in the game is to win trophies. This is clearly beyond most teams in existence, so obviously people play, and follow, the game for other reasons.
Of course everyone wants to win each game.

 

If by that you mean a VAR review he couldn't have because VAR isn't used to sort that out just like the West Brom lad sitting on the pitch calling for a VAR review after a tackle, won't happen.

 

Players/managers making the box signal should be automatic 8 game ban.

 

I mean that's how it should work. managers should call the var and 4th official should buzz ref and he has no option but review the incident

 

Aymeric Laporte to city for 57 mil... makes a mockery of the claims that city have to work to a budget so didn't go for sanchez.

 

Are you kidding? Do that and with the amount of incidents in every game it would take longer than an American Football game!

 

not if you limit the number like in cricket.

give them 2 or even only 1 per half.

Use them, if wrong lose them.

Oh i admit mourinho would store them up and use them to have a long debate on a butterfly he say in the 90th minute to disrupt but there you go..


But think about it.

You see your team miss out on an obvious pen to you... OR you are desperate and think it might be a pen.

None of this flouncing about with a ref talking to a guy on a headset while six players scream at him.

No.. he gets a clear buzz in his from 4th official just like he gets now from linesman flag going up.

4th offical should have video lined up before ref even makes it to the screen. He looks and asks for angles live etc. Then he makes a call an announces if they retain their VAR or lose it.

Ref can then have own option to draw the box rather than award a pen or not etc etc and review the goal or whatever himself.

What happens now in cricket....

1. run outs. umpires have moved from making calls to almost always calling for video. Anything close and its reviewed. This is like offside.

2. was ball dropped or not. This takes time usually. Football has great advantage here with the goal line tech. It works instantly. so this is covered

3. Wickets. LBW mostly. front foot, snicko, hot spot, hawkeye. Football needs none of these it just needs a review. foul or no foul.

4. Who calls for the VAR? in cricket its team captain and umpire if not sure. In cricket bias is towards on field decision unless proved otherwise. Why can't football use this. Oh close call there sorry but we are sticking with on field call.

It took ref 4 mins at least to get the salah pen call done. Thats ridiculous. But the best it could be is 1 or 2 mins. lets deisgn the dieal not what we have and then reject or accept.

 

I'm not sure if you're on the wind up with this ...... but if we have to accept VAR as part of the game then the ref calling the VAR or the VAR calling the ref should be the only way it works - no players or managers or anyone else calling for it.

 

Not sure if this is serious or not.

VAR was well used in the cup game, it just needs perfecting/time taken reduced.

 

Nor sure why you're not sure

All I was saying was - I think if we have to have VAR, then the way it's been trialled with the ref contacting the VAR if something's in doubt or the VAR contacting the ref if 'he' spots something the ref missed, should be the way it's used - no players or managers should be allowed to call for it.

 

no I'm not. It is the way it works in cricket.

I don't think the game allows for a rugby style VAR. simply cos they review trys or tip overs or high tackles and have naurtal breaks.

What i am seeing is refs not reviewing unless they feel like it.

 

MITOs call for referral

 

The results were correct but it was a farce how long it took to decide to use it.

Thats my point.

EIther ref instantly calls for it OR someone like the manager calls for it and uses it.

Look at this list

tennis: 3? reviews per set. works fine. players use them just to use them at times. save them up etc for tie breaks
Rugby: VAR called exclusively by ref
Cricket: 2 reivews per innings plus umpire calling for it when in doubt.

football: Ref decides when and if in consulation with a guy on a mike while 4 players scream at him then he wanders off to a screen and takes 4 or 5 mins.

Surely there's more than enough examples of it working very well in other sports to support a review system from the sideline.

 

Cricket is one continuous natural break.

 

Keep it as the ref/video Ref.

So what that it took a few minutes, the correct calls were made.

 

Real sports don't include breaks for lunch and tea. Except snooker.

 

Plus it only took a few minutes because the ref couldn't hear the video ref with West Brom players shouting "no it's not fair ref we're allowed to foul if you didn't see it ref, ref, no ref don't listen to him, you can't do it ref, come on ref...".

Book the complainers and have a quick conversation.

 

Before VAR can ever work efficiently we'd have to cut out the surrounding of the ref and giving him dog's for every decision.
Only the ones he wants to speak to and their captains should be allowed near him.
It'll never happen.