WHAT??? jewish lies? you are, as i asserted earlier, a very confused individual I have at no point mentioned 'jewish lies' in any of my statements/assertions as for surah 77 77.8 Faitha alnnujoomu tumisat when the stars are extinguished when the stars lose their light when the stars are put out or in french Quand donc les étoiles seront effacées, effacees meaning deleted yusuf ali used the word ' dimmed' as in when the stars are dimmed, but read his commentary and i suggest you read all of surah 77, its not just focussed on what happens at the end
PNP i find it interesting that you dont put forward what you believe just focussing on disproving what i do believe which kind of is where we started, athiesm is about being anti god, not no god so the question is what do you believe?
I get what your saying mate ... I hope you get this before you get a concussion banging your head against the wall.
So you didn't agree with the statement that SNIAW made about hearing that AnsweringIslam is run by Jews perpetuating lies about Islam, then? That's funny, because post #739 on this article says that you did. I think that you need to read all of surah 77 yourself. It's all about the same thing. You're choosing to take one part in isolation and missing the entire point of what it's saying. It's the old blind men and the elephant story. I'll stop saying that you're missing the point at the start of each of my comments. Just take it as a given. How can I be anti-god if I don't believe that there are any gods? Are you anti-faerie? Are you anti-yeti? What do I believe about what?
No, it doesn't. That's one interpretation of it, but there's nothing in the sentence that implies that. If someone is doing what they can to fulfil their potential and make the most of their opportunities, then aren't they living life to the full?
On a different vein, scientific estimates that life could have come just from random movements of amino acids is 1 in 10 to the power of about 40,000. When you take into account that there are only about 10 to the power of 80 atoms in the universe. This, it is reasonable to assume that some sort of creator was used along the way. Science and religion can also walk hand in hand, there are plenty of things that science cannot explain but the universe, or at least life, would not exist without. Gravity, the Nuclear Strong Force and why water freezes in crystals, allowing ice to be less dense than water.
I can't believe this thread is still running. It's like you are all trying to convince the other to change their opinion on God/No God.
There is no physical proof that Jesus or Mohammad ever lived.All there is are writings (scriptures)that numb nuts like us believe.
oh dear would you care to explain what the purpose of answeringislam is, and who runs it? a guy says he heard something, i confirm it. so? its abit much to then suggest that everything about the quran is 'jewish lies' waters wet, and answering islam is an anti-muslim website, LOL, i am taking one part in isolation? very good. whats that technique called? once i again a detailed answer and this is your comeback/counter? dear me, seems i over estimated you. you take it as a given, as i will that no matter how much evidence is provided, you will deflect, nit pick words, resort to childishness etc you are anti god because your whole argument is based on proving the concept of god wrong,
I'm sorry SNIAW, but I probably should have clarified what the article was talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sana'a_manuscripts These are possibly the oldest known copies of the Quran.
to be honest it is my own fault in a way what PNP is doing here is the typical 'athiest'/anti god argument which is to DEMAND evidence, then sit back and literally mock anything put forward all the time focussing on what you DONT believe, whilst skirting what it is you DO believe the reason being that basically it would boil down to the believe that all things are composed of matter and all phenomena are the result of material interactions which are impossible to prove hence the repetitiveness, and the focus on interpretation etc
LOL can i suggest you leave wikki and look into the sanaa manuscripts especially what Puin actually said about them your posts are getting laughable now, they may be enough to distract/deflect novices but ..... LOL
I have no idea what AnsweringIslam contains or who runs it. I also didn't claim anything about the Quran being Jewish lies. You claimed "I have at no point mentioned 'jewish lies' in any of my statements/assertions", yet you clearly had. I was merely pointing that out. You've not actually made any attempt to explain why I'm wrong in claiming that you're taking one line from a surah out of context and using it to prove something that it clearly doesn't. Would you like to try again? I'm not anti-god for the same reason that I'm not anti-yeti. I have don't believe that either exist. I haven't attempted to prove that the concept of god is wrong, as it's impossible. There's no universally accepted concept of god. I've tried to show that your claims of miraculous knowledge in the Quran are dubious at best and that your claims for the necessity of god are wrong. You appear to have forgotten about your suggestion that I haven't said what I believe. What do I believe about what, exactly?
where to begin with this one of course there is proof well at least as much as say that king richard existed etc
I was directing SNIAW to a neutral site, so that he could see what I was referring to. I wasn't putting forward wikipedia as a font of knowledge.
Actually I think that the repeated comments suggesting that I'm showing a lot of patience and banging my head against a brick wall would suggest that you're wrong. You've shown that you're completely unable to accept that anything that Dr Naik has told you isn't 100% correct and that you've got absolutely no ability to argue a point. You don't seem to have even understood about half of them and I'd suggest that this is down to an unwillingness to even attempt it. You've decided that this is all correct and that's that.
