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Silva gone

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Nascotwoodfrog, Jan 21, 2018.

  1. brian_66_usa

    brian_66_usa Well-Known Member

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    The Pozzo's are doing what they think is best (and im sure they would have been talking with the back room staff ) .MS was right that with the right midfield playing one up front was the best for us.Our game away at Southampton was the best midfield i have seen us play in over 50 years .Should we go down then our owners will fund the playing staff to try and get us back (its there money) .But there timing is not great Cup then Stoke in 10 days lose both then how many players will be wanting to go before 1st of feb ?
     
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  2. duggie2000

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    With out the Pozzo's intervention we would now be having local derbies against Stevenage and Luton, or even Borehamwood
    I have just watched the half hour match on Sky Leicester v Watford, the disallowed goal was not shown or even mentioned and the two single celled amoebas pretending to be commentators said at half time that Leicester deserved to be ahead as Watford had offered nothing at all in the first half
    At least on the BBC highlights they said the disallowed goal was unlucky and could have made a difference to the game overall
     
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  3. colognehornet

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    Success is not created by great players SH. but by great teams - we have a group of individuals. I am also not convinced about the 'football experiences' bit - how often are we reliant on players who have had actually no experience in the Premier League - we think that players must be World beaters if they have played for Udinese a few times. The Pozzo's have done a great deal for us - a 4 sided stadium, financial stability which must have increased the value of the club, ensuring we will never be taken over by someone like 'red hat man' again. We now need a 'team' to round it all off.
     
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  4. I think when SH said football experiences he meant good matches and memories for the fans - and I would say this is absolutely right.
     
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  5. J T Bodbo

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    I didn't realise you worked at the club and spent all your time there. If I had know that I might have taken some of your posts seriously. What exactly is your role in the club ?
     
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  6. rudebwoy

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    poisoned chalice the ' manager at watford ' , but such is the crazy / desperate premier league survival pressure , this is now the norm for most clubs involved in preservation status , there are only a handful of clubs that are going to win anything trophy wise in that league , the other 14 are permanently trying not to be the three in the trap door .
    This cannot continue , eventually the whole shebang will lose its lustre , and it will implode , economically most clubs are just serving huge debts despite the huge sums from the sugar daddy/sky , it isn't sustainable .
    Pozzos cant lose with their policies , but the days of GT are something we won't see under the present conditions , longevity of coaches is finished , wenger is the last and he's past his sell by date .
    Modern football is crazy , but the cost to fans is outrageous, going to footie should be available to all not just those with plenty of disposable income ........
     
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  7. Markthehorn

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    Well he would have gone in the summer so maybe this bad run just made the Pozzos act quicker and it seems they always have someone lined up!
     
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  8. J T Bodbo

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    Extremely well said - and very relevant - as it should make us the supporters adjust our view. Otherwise it's just churn churn.
    I'd add another thing whereby the present EPL set up is hopeless. Once upon a time the English football model, based on dynamism, strength as well as ability and vision, and especially never giving up, even when the game is lost, was admired everywhere. One important characteristic is that once in possession, a team has a chance, and possession changed hands very frequently. Now - it's awful. Against Citeh, Newcassel had 13% possession I think.Where's the competition in that ? I went to the Etihad, and apart from seeing any chance of a result extinguished in 38 seconds, we had to endure for 90 minutes an utterly dull training exercise for citeh, and a long cross country run for us. Ok - it's not always the case, but even in the equally matched games, teams hold on to possession for long periods - 'probing' for an opportunity. Exceptions like Citeh vs. liddypool are brilliant, but they are rarities.
    Until we find a way of evening up (down ?) the division, it's going to get worse. Leicester city did the rest of us a disservice by masking the reality in 1 glorious season - for which I take off my hat to them. It was wonderful. But what happened the next season - nowhere. The big clubs certainly weren't having an upstart get in the way of their money-rinsing m/c. Kante - gone. Drinkwater - gone. gone where ? The money-rinsing machines.
    I've gone off the point a bit - so i'll just say I agree totally. Maybe an implosion will bring about a change for the better.
     
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  9. Markthehorn

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    Not sure Richarlison and Gray agreed with the decision but guess Silva did sign them and give them a chance.
     
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  10. Mexican Hornet

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    Didn't expect to see this this morning.

    Best manager we've had but must have pissed off the Pozzo's the most.

    Hope we can stay up.

    Wonder where Silva will go, his stock must be a bit down now. He's made a mug of himself. So have the Pozzo's with their statement blaming Everton, as that is part of the game and we'll now be hated by more neutrals for them blaming another club. What a mess.
     
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  11. colognehornet

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    I agree that longevity is over for managers but there are some clubs standing against the trend (probably for economic reasons) - Burnley being one of them. Once Wenger goes SD. maybe the longest serving manager in the Prem. and I would say he has the safest job. 'Get a good manager in and give him time to stamp his character on the club' may be an outdated policy but it has not become an unsuccessfull one overnight. I also suspect that Klopp's reign at Liverpool is not going to be a short one.
     
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  12. Scullion

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    Unexpected but not surprised. Injuries are an issue and bring their own problems but if the teams we have fielded recently were the 2nd 11 then it's not a bad team. I agree something has been amiss lately but am not sure whether it was tactics, player attitude, confidence, manager commitment etc etc but may be all of these things. If a new manager changes this then great.
    Martin O'Neill (I assume the Irish bloke) would be good, he would take no bull....

    BTW I like your Avatar SH <cheers>
     
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  13. HHTFC1

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    Is there comments by them somewhere...the mentality of the squad will be what dictates if we stay up or not!!
     
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  14. oldfrenchhorn

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    Everytime Watford get bad press over the change in head coach, I do ask how different we are to others these day. I do not like it but the figures show the average tenure of a manager in the Premier League is 1.32 seasons. Those stats are skewed by Arsene Wengers 20 years, or else they'd be closer to the Championship figure of 0.83 seasons.
     
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  15. Markthehorn

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    Just an angry face..

    https://twitter.com/richarlison97?lang=en

    As I say Richarlison was brought in by Silva and given a chance so he would be upset to lose a mentor as such.

    Some positive support from the Pozzos by Ian Wright on 606 (the BBC version!)
     
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  16. oldnickhornet

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    They should,but probably dont,question their own judgement by now-especially the Mazarri Man-did they really not know what they were getting there.
    Honestly,it sounds like its all about money,money,money with you , and like the IF theyve made a bit of money.
    Surely you dont prefer Theresa to Jeremy ?
     
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  17. Markthehorn

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    Fair points and some have pointed out loyalty can be a two way thing!

    The Pozzos are football people who have done a lot of good for the club off the pitch with a much improved ground etc so fans will support them.

    Its a strange one because of course having loads of changes in terms of players and managers isn't great though and I think they might admit Flores was let go and replaced poorly.

    They did take over from a guy who had been bankrupt twice and had us on the verge of administration so quite frankly anyone else was an improvement!!!

    It probably hasn't helped our recent run includes defeats against sides below us probably adding fear and suspicion of a lack of unity within the players and Silva.
     
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  20. zen guerrilla

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    With Marco Silva's departure my mind wandered back to Brendan Rodgers. At least he had the good grace to go very quickly, even if he didn't like his integrity being questioned. Apparently Sky Sports were reporting Marco Silva had agreed terms with Everton, expecting Watford to let him go. Putting two and two together when this didn't come off, and even with the horrendous injury problem, something suspiciously like an engineered departure has been facilitated.
    In Marco Silva's favour he didn't resign to go straight to Everton, and lose a good pay out, but his sulky behaviour if not nipped in the bud would have relegated the club.
     
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