Match Day Thread 2017/18 Premier League, Cups & Euro Watch

I used to watch to play in net in a five-a-side league. I always watched their eyes as they places the ball on the spot. After that, anything they did didn't matter. Had a pretty good record with that method.

Obviously, it's different in full size nets and certainly different in the professional game too.

 

Was having this discussion about it today. So the Leicester one was scored, Lino flagged offside but was given because he was onside.

However, what if it was 20 yard sback and ref blew his whistle before had a chance to shoot. Wouldn’t be looked at but they’ve stopped a clear goal scoring chance.

What if the Lino flags and the defence and keeper stop (i know play to the whistle but natural instinct is to ease off) then player scores and it’s allowed on var.

i dont know if anyone’s ever come out and explained just how those kind of scenarios will work. Fine for pens and dead ball situations but for offside does it mean you’re gonna get linos not flagging anything because they can be saved by var later? What if it doesn’t lead to a goal but a corner, and then they score from that corner?

 

If used fir offsides, the lino won't ever make a call on tight decisions

 

Just too many changes in that case, it’s getting on my nerves already

 

Thats exactly what happened in Leicester game. Flag went up, player put ball away, itgor checked and he was on so it stood.

My post above says aame thing though and from the other side what if ref blows before an score and it’s actually on.. then you’ve denied them but you can’t let them retake the shot or anything.

 

Fine the defenders for being cocks?

You answered your own question; play to the whistle.

It was tge same with 'interfering with play' btw, players got used to it

 

I didn’t see the Leicester game and assumed it was from a set piece or something, totally wrong imo in that case - the play stops when that flag is seen.

 

Play to the whistle isn’t the same, your not assuming a decision, the lino has given it.

Otherwise you’ll have frantic flagging and whistles but the play just continuing like an under 8’s game!

 

Exactly.

Play to the whistle.

We have just seen a classic example of that now.

Chelsea player feels he has been fouled so picks ball up. Free kick other way as ref never blew whistle.

 

The lino isn't in charge, nor does he have a whistle

Edit; they're assistant referees btw

 

Youre a defender from what I remember. You know practically that you see a flag you stop. Why would you keep going when the Lino has flagged for offside.

Maybe teams will learn and they’ll keep going but it’s gonna cause a lot of issues of the ref allows them to play on. The thing is, the ref surely has to blow because otherwise they’re gonna have to let every offside continue to see what happened?

How is a ref gonna decide which might be close and he needs to play on so that var can be checked and which can be blown right away because Lino is right?

 

having many penos taken against you, it becomes intuitive when you watch legs, you react without thinking based on what you see in the run-up
Doesn't always work, players have tricks, but for those where there is no masking the shot, just a run up and whallop, more often than not you go the right way at least

 

Come on, think about what you’re saying - they haven’t sat everyone down and said ‘look just play to the whistle from now’ etc. Too many grey areas for this to be in force.

Plus, Biscan has a point about the ref blowing up and your onside... what’s to stop you ignoring that whistle if YOURE SURE you are onside.... everyone stops you keep going roll it in, demand it’s reviewed and you’re right

Too much too soon at the moment imo

 

I played Sunday League, a flag going up never meant stop playing

It's only the same as a foul, you play to the whistle. The assistant referee flagging shouldn't alter what a player is doing (if that's the ruling)

 

I was talking for a future ruling perspective rather that current day. Bit **** if it happens now when the players aren't aware

 

Maybe it shouldn’t, but it simply does - as he the referee is never going to suggest he knows better about an offside. A foul, yes - you do see them waved away now and again

 

As far as I'm concerned it creates more problems than it solves. There's no guarantee that a video ref's opinion is any better than the one on the pitch for penalties, dives etc.
It isn't remotely similar to goal-line technology, where a simple fact has to be established.
Imo. ditch it, leave those subjective decisions to the on-pitch officials, and we can keep calling them names every time (we think) they get it wrong.

 

A flag going up doesn't mean stop play unless ref blows whistle.

We have seen some assistant refs put their flags back down and game carried on as ref didnt stop it lol.

 

If players are told that an assistant referee flagging may not result in a decision then players would play on, or at least learn to like they did for interfering with play.

I'm not saying I agree with VAR, I don't. I just think the argument against that I'm reading in here is rubbish

 

Exactly. If the referee blows his whistle then it's different. This is where my concern is, referees will bottle every big decision and let VAR decide.