Off Topic Political Debate

Well if it is paranoia it is coming from established Labour Party members. The new Momentum chair of the NEC disputes committee was suspended from the LP in 2015 for supporting a mayor guilty of fraud and bribery. Shawcroft has campaigned to "expropriate the banks" nationalise any company that cut jobs, end all immigration controls, abolish the monarchy and disband MI5. This does not sound like traditional LP policies.

From the Guardian.

Labour centrists express fury about Momentum's Christine Shawcroft taking over key party post - Politics live

• Labour centrists have reacted with fury after Corbyn supporters on the party’s national executive committee voted to replace Ann Black, an independent-minded leftwinger, with Christine Shawcroft, a Momentum director, as chair of the party’s disputes panel. The post is relatively low-profile, but the panel enforces party rules and in Labour circles it has considerable clout. The vote follows the election of three Momentum activists to the NEC yesterday after three new seats were created for members’ representatives, giving the Corbynites a decisive majority on the NEC for the first time since Jeremy Corbyn became leader, and it is seen as evidence that Corbyn supporters will now using their grasp on the levers of power in the party to impose change.

 

Once a hippy.....always a hippy.

 

They were great optimistic times for so many people.....

Society then got lost in materialism, capitalism and selfishness

 

I never liked the Unionisation of the labour party and also the political correctness that went with it. Under Corbyn the LP has a growing membership and has attracted so many young people who aspire a more equal society...... no a bad thing at all.

This tabloid propensity to portray Corbyn as evil, dangerous etc is not at all interesting..... !!

 

This reads like a scene from the Lion King "life's not fair."..........

 

http://www.proactiveinvestors.co.uk...-life-and-pensions-administration-190093.html
It sounds like we have another Carillion on our hands, even before the dust has settled on the real one.

Outsourcing company Capita, which has contracts with government departments and local authorities, lost a contract with Prudential yesterday. It also happens to have a £1.6 billion net debt - not to mention a £380 million pension deficit.

 

Well it is people that are not fair..............

Look at the terrible things happening on this planet....

 

Fairness is not an absolute unfortunately...its definition tends to depend on the perspectives of those considering it. What's fair to one person is not to the next, hence debates about fair pay for fair work, fair sentences for criminal offences, fair divisions of labour etc etc...rarely result in agreement.

 

SH
Oh you didn't get my humour then

 

I think your humour was binned along with the beads and kaftan

 

Today the Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar took up the invitation to address the EU Parliament. His speech was carried out in English, French, German and Irish. Maybe not wishing to be compared with others was the real reason that May turned down a similar opportunity.

 

Farage needed to remind him that most of Ireland's trade is with the UK and he should be working for a sensible deal that protected Ireland's exporters.

 

He has got it already. Look at the agreement.

 

You have the wrong agreement. The one that matters is with the UK government. Farage also helpfully reminded the Irish PM that his country had the most to lose in a no deal situation.

 

Farage is yesterday's man. When I suggested that his bank manager might be getting nervous it was before it became known that his EU salary was being halved because of false accounting. The agreement has been made between the UK and the EU, but the Irish were in effect given a veto over a detrimental agreement. That is the only agreement, and it has to be put into law before things can go much further.

 

You are correct that Farage's opinions do not matter but he can retire from the political scene as the most influential politician in Europe in the past two decades. It is fair to say without Farage there would be no Brexit. He has his lucrative EU pension for services rendered plus he will be able to top that up substantially so don't worry about his income potential.

There has been no agreement made so far with the UK, just some very fuzzy guidelines. If the Irish prevent a deal from happening they will suffer the most so any Irish leader will not last very long being belligerent.

 

What 'services rendered', he spent most of his time in Brussels sitting around in wine bars knocking up his expense bill - which was the highest of all the MEPs. That a prat such as him gets a pension from the EU. payed for from my taxes makes my blood boil.

 

He should be Knighted for services rendered to the UK. He has proved to be a remarkably effective political figure amongst forgettable pygmies. He will be remembered by historians while other recent politicians will fail to get a mention. I never voted for his party but can appreciated his enormous skill set in changing European history.

 

I wouldn't have any delusions of grandeur SH. about changing European history - British history maybe, at least for a couple of years. The rest of Europe does not think night and day about the consequences of Brexit and has more important things to work on.